WW XXIX Dor-en-Gaur

[Farael]

Alright, I have to say that, after several WW games, I have tried every playing style I could think of.

At first I was a suicide, like our very own Nilp.

Then I went with my gut feeling.

Then I tried using cold logic.

The only one that worked was my gut feeling... and this time, I've got a feeling for someone.

Now, I'm aware this will probably make me very unpopular, but there is something about Loomy that just doesn't sit right. Her little banter about the sheep, for example, was utter nonsense when the village had moved on from nonsensical posts already. That's always a red flag on my mind, if you don't make it by the start of the day when everyone is playing around, you don't usually post nonsense when there are actually things to comment on.

Then she spends some time bantering about the secret roles... I say, we have no way of knowing what those roles are for sure... and any guess is as good as any other right now... so what's the point of going in circles sayin g"oh, I think the roles are such and such" "oh, I agree" "no, I disagree" "well, I disagree with both of you"

To me this is screaming "HERE IS A WOLF TRYING TO SOUND HELPFUL WHILE ADDING VERY LITTLE!!"

She does clarify what Nogrod's hunter is like. Thanks.

We move on to her next post.

She agrees with Firefoot's comment on "do not trust anyone". That's clearly a wolfish ploy. While I don't propose "trust just about everyone", at some point you need to draw a line. Do your best to make your own theories and find your own suspects, but if we start suspecting "This person may be a wolf because I trust them too much" then we are done for. Odds are, if someone is making A LOT of sense, and there is no evidence at all that they are a wolf.... they will be innocent.

So again, another post that is not really helping the village.

She then talks about how the questionnaire is probably there to confuse us. True, but that still doesn't help us find a wolf.

Moving right along....

She makes a weak case on Durelin... not enough to vote for her, right? well, if we see the next post, wrong... she does vote for her, even though it doesn't even sound as if she was her prime suspect.

Then we go to the actual voting post, where as mentioned before, she votes for Durelin. She then sounds rather apoglectic, which is always a bad sign for me. If you believe someone is guilty (or guilty-er than the rest) then you should vote for them and pray for the best... if you think someone is innocent, then for crying out loud, don't vote for them!!!! No, no, there is something definitely wrong with Loomy

Her last post is a clear example on "how to say nothing in a lot of words".

First she picks on a comment made by Lalwende somewhat against Morm and Eomer defends Morm right away. That's alright. Then she mentions Eomer and basically says "he might be doing something... or he might be doing the opposite".

Now, given that there are two realistic choices on what Eomer meant (either he trully agreed with Morm's statement or he agreed with his intention of getting some accusations rolling) she's basically saying nothing what so ever about Eomer.

Again, she's writing, seemingly contributing... but She is saying little or nothing that adds to the discussion.

Add on top of that a weakly reasoned vote that somewhat contradicts what she's said before (although it's hard to tell what she's said before since she says very little and what she does say she tries to downplay it ) and you've got yourself a wolfish looking Loomy

Therefore, I must say...

++Loomy.


on another note, I might not be able to come back before the end of the day... I have a busy day today with some studying to do and an interview. I THINK (key word, think) I'll be able to come back once or twice, but I can't make any promises.

Edit: X-ed with everything after Celuien's vote

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Farael

Now, I'm aware this will probably make me very unpopular, but there is something about Loomy that just doesn't sit right. Her little banter about the sheep, for example, was utter nonsense when the village had moved on from nonsensical posts already. That's always a red flag on my mind, if you don't make it by the start of the day when everyone is playing around, you don't usually post nonsense when there are actually things to comment on.

The beggining of the first post is probably made up many hours before Lommy got herself in front of a computer. So it should be ignored the same way as any other first post in-character talk that doesn't mention anybody else.

Not that I'm defending Lommy, it is true that she hasn't contributed too much, but has anybody? She just doesn't feel as suspicious as many others.

Actually I would call Farael's post as "much talk about small news". The only thing that makes Farael seem innocent is the extreme boldness for which he will surely be suspected if Lommy is proven innocent.


EDIT: X:d with Mith

[Volo]

Mith, I tend to see why people suspect Boromir. A gut feeling.

To say the truth, I'm extremely confused and would have already voted and gone away if I had a single person to suspect more than a little.

Now don't ask anymore questions, vote me better, just leave me alone while I think.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Volo

The beggining of the first post is probably made up many hours before Lommy got herself in front of a computer. So it should be ignored the same way as any other first post in-character talk that doesn't mention anybody else.

Volo you are not helping your case here... maybe you know Loomy better than me, but why would the first part of the post be written before the game starts? I usually wait until I've read what has been said before making my first post... specially if I'm not around for the beginning of the day!!

no, this is all wrong... after we lynch Loomy we should go after you!

[Volo]

Not writen... Made up in her head.
I myself usually write a short in-character thing in the beggining of my first post, because I find it funny.
All I'm trying to say is that it's a terrible reason to lynch somebody.

Well, I'm leaving now, for a few hours at least.

++Durelin

, for no reason at all.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am very suprised about how sure you are that you have spottet two wolves already, Farael. . . Althought I can see how Volo is acting a bit strange, I do not see either of them to be very much more suspicouse than the rest of the people here. I guess you will write it down to your gut feeling.

I am not going to object to that kind of reasoning, after all I use it my self often. I still think it is odd how you are so sure. . .

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Volo

Not writen... Made up in her head.
I myself usually write a short in-character thing in the beggining of my first post, because I find it funny.
All I'm trying to say is that it's a terrible reason to lynch somebody.

Ok, then what about the OTHER reasons I mentioned? this is a really half-hearted defense... is she your wolf partner perhaps?

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I am not going to object to that kind of reasoning, after all I use it my self often. I still think it is odd how you are so sure. . .

You don't know me so well, do you?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Farael

You don't know me so well, do you?

Probably not. . .I have seen you be very confident before, but seing it repeated does not make me understand it.

The same could be said about Gil's obcesion to confuse. . .

Anyways I have to leave very soon so I shall cast my vote now. . .and It will have to be for Mac. He just pushed my buttons and I do not have any good theories yet.

++Macalaure

Edit: Cross posted with Mac

[Macalaure]

So much for the offering friendship theory of mine.

I'm moving Rune down on my suspicion list.

[Anguirel]

I don't actually think much weirdness is going on; rather a predictable soup of pettiness, defensiveness, and straw-grasping!

I still think Volo a mass of contradictions: a fellow who can, in the same post, posit the idea of voting for Boro and accuse me of defending him a lukewarm fashion is a pretty odd fish. Or wolf.

I think Farael and I differ on one important point. He is willing to jump on Lommy for posting "nonsense"; ironically she tends to be critical of "nonsense" herself, and has in turn voted for Durelin because of it. I really disagree with the concept of "nonsense". Maybe I'm being too merry, but isn't so-called nonsense pretty near to having fun? Which is what I'm in this lark for...

Something of a split is developing between those who believe in "trusting nobody" and those who believe in trusting where possible, led especially vocally by Farael. He claims that if someone has talked and acted manifestly sensibly, the odds are that they're friendly. Be careful. It was relying on "odds" like that that recently got me hammered by Nilp. I am for constant vigilance myself, I'm afraid.

I hope, though, that Mith isn't a wolf. She seems like a breath of fresh air and it would terribly annoying to have to help lynch her...

For now, I shall put my scruples about grudgebearing aside and vote

++VOLO

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by Boro

Lal's response which I remarked before doesn't strike me the right way, but other than that she comes off as helpful and logical. Another odd thing is this:
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However...I note that four of us have yet to comment: Naria, Volo, Farael and Mithalwen.

I don't know about Naria or Farael, but you should well know Mith is in your same timeframe. I don't like that comment. Don't think I can vote for her, but don't take that as I'm going to ignore you Miss Lal.

I was just responding to your early comment about 'detesting quiet villages' - which is a fair enough thing to say, but very strongly worded, and I simply thought it a little too early to be bringing up this loud/quiet thing. Now I know Mithalwen is also in my time zone, but I thought it a little odd that she had not commented so far as it was well into lunch time...however, I have absolutely no suspicions of Mithalwen right now and I am quite prepared that she may have been in a meeting.

Mithalwen is on my innocent list right now, as is Rune, who was quite endearingly eager last night to get into the game and who wisely pointed out the "trust nobody" line. Ang was gentlemanly without being florid so I place him here right now, and I may also place Eomer here at the moment as I'm prepared to accept him acting out of humour.

However I'm still wondering about this whole Gil-galad/Boro thing. Is it in fact one huge red herring set up by them? More analysis needed but like I say, I will trust my excellent gut feelings this time...

[Macalaure]

It starts with Volo. He's weird (and probably possessed by Nilp). Still, my gut feeling says he's innocently weird. The whole banter between Ang and Volo is one hoard of weirdness. To me it looks like two innocents slugging it out until one is no more.
Celuien's vote is very weird. Stir up the quiet part of the village? Naria's probably not silent because she chooses to. What's to stir with her? Weird.
Now, Farael. We-eird! I don't like his case against Lommy, which doesn't mean I trust her (I don't: she's weird). Maybe Farael is just his common weird self ( ), but I'm not sure.
Rune's reaction to my suspicion is weird as well. With one hand you offer friendship, with the other you threaten to go after me? By the way, I don't suspect you because you said little - you can't make many points so early - but because you really seemed to avoid being controversial, just like Celuien.

Oh, before I forget, there was one thing not weird: The points raised about Lal. I can see where they're coming from. To add one (about Rune's innocence):

as is Rune, who was quite endearingly eager last night to get into the game and who wisely pointed out the "trust nobody" line.

Um, I don't mean to belittle that wisdom, but isn't that more or less common sense? Why do you point it out like that?

Weird.