WW XXIX Dor-en-Gaur

[Anguirel]

I don't actually think much weirdness is going on; rather a predictable soup of pettiness, defensiveness, and straw-grasping!

I still think Volo a mass of contradictions: a fellow who can, in the same post, posit the idea of voting for Boro and accuse me of defending him a lukewarm fashion is a pretty odd fish. Or wolf.

I think Farael and I differ on one important point. He is willing to jump on Lommy for posting "nonsense"; ironically she tends to be critical of "nonsense" herself, and has in turn voted for Durelin because of it. I really disagree with the concept of "nonsense". Maybe I'm being too merry, but isn't so-called nonsense pretty near to having fun? Which is what I'm in this lark for...

Something of a split is developing between those who believe in "trusting nobody" and those who believe in trusting where possible, led especially vocally by Farael. He claims that if someone has talked and acted manifestly sensibly, the odds are that they're friendly. Be careful. It was relying on "odds" like that that recently got me hammered by Nilp. I am for constant vigilance myself, I'm afraid.

I hope, though, that Mith isn't a wolf. She seems like a breath of fresh air and it would terribly annoying to have to help lynch her...

For now, I shall put my scruples about grudgebearing aside and vote

++VOLO

[Lalwendë]

Mac, I think Rune, along with Boro, Firefoot, Celuien and Gil-galad was just one of the early starters and so naturally fell into being suspected. I don't think that's fair - the only one of the early adopters I have a hunch about is Gil-galad. The rest, well, they 'look foul but feel fair' right now. No insult to your fizzogs intended by the way.

[Boromir88]

Lal

However I'm still wondering about this whole Gil-galad/Boro thing. Is it in fact one huge red herring set up by them? More analysis needed but like I say, I will trust my excellent gut feelings this time...

I wouldn't do this as a wolf. Accept it or don't, that's up to you, I can just tell you I am one of the easiest people to predict (just ask the phantom who knows my style so well I'm scared to be in a village with him). If I have something to hide (either wolf or a gifted) I'm more cautious and try not to attract suspicion. When I'm an ordinary I come out firing and it often gets me into trouble, but at least we get some action going that may be of great help in the days to come...even if it does end up getting my lynched early.

[Lalwendë]

Boro.... I understand where you're coming from. This is much better than the old "he says too much!" or "She is too quiet!" or even the "Why has he started early?" thing. I might be quite new to this lark but I'm not wholly green and I saw that happen in my first game and I've seen it here. I happen to think you are innocent (at least for now, you know how things can change in a suspicious village!) - if you were guilty then it would mean Anguirel and Gil-galad had been in cahoots to drag you into the sights of everyone and from what Anguirel says, I think he could be innocent right now; I certainly don't have enough evidence to convict him at present and happen to think he was going along with early hunches.

Votes so far:
mormegil -> Rune (Rune 1)
Gil-Galad -> Boro (Rune 1, Boro 1)
Roa_Aoife -> Gil (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1)
Lommy -> Durelin (Rune 1, Boro 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Firefoot -> Boro (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1)
Rikae -> Anguirel (Boro 2, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Kath -> Boromir88 (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1)
Celuien -> Naria (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, Naria 1)
Farael -> Lommy (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 1, Ang 1, naria 1, Lommy 1)
Volo -> Durelin (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 2, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy1)
Rune -> Mac (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 2, Ang 1, Mac 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1)
Anguirel -> Volo (Boro 3, Rune 1, Gil 1, Durelin 2, Ang 1, Naria 1, Lommy 1, Mac 1, Volo1)

That's a wide spread. But there are trends I don't agree with.

I am now at the point of considering if my gut feelings are correct. I hate deciding things, I'm such a Libran.

[Mithalwen]

Sorry I am back .... I am a bit worried by the number of votes and having skimmed through I am not reassured at all by Volo .... sorry old chum but being asked questions is part of the deal .... however I really want to have a good look at what has been said. See if Boromir really does look sus or if he is being stitched up. Whether my instincts have foundation....

And as for my online times Lal ..I'll post on the village notice board...

[Farael]

I think that those who have mentioned the wide spread of votes are right... so I'm going to narrow it down a little bit

--Loomy

and yet, she's still my prime suspect... I just don't see any chance of getting her lynched, other than proving that..

++Volo who has been defending her is a wolf.

If I'm wrong about him, I might feel a bit better about Loomy but I still think there's something fishy about her.

[Anguirel]

This absurdly wide spread of votes, which I have helped contribute to, I fear, need not be completely disastrous providing people show flexibility and a willingness to retract. If my Volo case does not receive credible support, I'll probably plonk my vote where it's of more use.

Gil-Galad and Firefoot, your votes seem rather in the nature of a stab in the dark. If you only meant them half-heartedly, it would be a shame to see Boro done to death on their account. If you're still here, do have a careful think.

Of the candidates so far, Volo aside, I probably suspect Macalaure the most - he does seem to have been toying with Rune a bit, in a manner which reminds me of my own methods of wolf conciliation.

[Volo]

Is mormegil always like this on Day1?

[Boromir88]

I might vote for Volo simply for being counter-constructive. I think we're past all the early talk about the rangers and the golden dagger, it's time to get down to business.

Anguirel

I probably suspect Macalaure the most - he does seem to have been toying with Rune a bit

Hmm...I was actually thinking the exact opposite. I think Rune is out of sync so to say. I know he doesn't post as much as a lot on here, but his posts I always get a sense that he is trying to help out, trying to contribute. Today, I'm just not getting that...

I guess now I will have to hear talks about me being over defencive, but if you have followed my recent history you will know that I have major issues with these kind of accusations and find them to be with very little merit.

I don't think it's over-defensive, I just think it looks like you are trying to convince people that's the answer. If the 'accusations' have so little merit, according to you, why get bothered by it?

I also really have no clue what the big hub about Farael is. And those who are trying to throw suspicion at Farael look might suspicious themselves. Why would a wolf make a post like that? I had a lot of suspicion around me, I had almost the entire village talking about me, so why would a wolf wish to spread things around and get the village considering others? The bigger the crowd the safer the wolf, Farael's post I took as trying to get us to look at people who haven't been talked about much. I don't think Lommy is suspicious, but Farael by trying to get the village to look at other people that have gone unmentioned definitely looks like an innocent. And those that I think are trying to make too much out of that post, to get suspicion on Farael, look far more suspicious than Farael's post!

Edit: Humorgous x-posting

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Lalwendë, you misunderstand me. I was not going for humour. I am honestly eager to see someone from this village taken down a peg. That'll put things in perspective for you; it'll do you good. It's true that some of my forefathers have been jolly types and this is probably what's confusing you. I am extremely cold-hearted and mean.

Blatantly copying Anguirel here but I don't care if it looks suspicious. (Anyway, I would have pointed it out had I been here at the time.) Volo certainly appears to be the cocky wolf. He comes swaggering in, making grand judgments, and appears very confrontational when questioned. He points out Farael's boldness in his case against Thinlómien, which strikes me as funny because Volo's whole demeanour is bold and strutting. Better lynch him soon.

Farael's case against Thinlómien had me nodding my head. Of course, I always suspect Lommy (and she me). My acceptance and agreement with Mormegil's bloodlust is not suspicious: just indicative of the fact that we are both horrible people.

And the whole idea of a Gil-Galad, Boromir88, Anguirel, whoever open collusion is severe over-thinking. I wouldn't even think about Day One tricks and super-conspiracies until we near the end and have stuff to look back on. If they can help it, they won't even be mentioning each other by name.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

He points out Farael's boldness in his case against Thinlómien, which strikes me as funny because Volo's whole demeanour is bold and strutting. Better lynch him soon.

I'm just as straight forward as always, as wolf and man. The whole point is to look the same when wolf and man, because it would be plain stupid if there was a sign by which you could see my innocence.

But yes, grudges...

So far Firefoot seems completely reasonable and calm, of course anything can mean anything in this game and I think that the end result is pretty often plain random.
No sense in lynching her toDay.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Nogrod, the Mysterious Stranger

But three of you have been armed with swords that make those beasts back away. And one of you possesses a golden dagger.

Note that one of the hidden roles isn't mentioned in all of the talk!

Originally Posted by Nogrod, the Storyteller

“This is a sword of the order of Thorondor. Even a Gaur will be afraid of it and pull back when seeing one. And a Gaur indeed has infected your village. It will now be your task to defend those of you who are innocent during the nights. Good luck to you villager and pick the ones you defend wisely!” That was the message the Eagles told the frightful villagers who hid inside their homes and waited for the worst. After leaving the swords in front of the doors the Eagles pulled up again, now already looking at the scent of the Gaur.

It doesn't tell the quantity of the swords, and is clearly says "protect", so we should assume that those are the Rangers. Probably no more than three.

Originally Posted by Nogrod, the Rulemaster

There are three werewolves to kill the villagers.
There are three rangers to defend the villagers.
There are three others with some specialities (which will be hinted at / revealed in the narrations).

Three others! And so far we know only about the "Golden Dagger", I bet the Golden Dagger is made for killing wolves, probably not like a Hunter.

Originally Posted by Nogrod, the Rulemaster

- Of those three undisclosed ones two would basically be on the side of the villagers and one on the side of the wolves. They could all benefit the cause they are fighting for but they could also harm their cause. The one being on the wolves' side would not be counted as a wolf but as a villager in the last Days tally, but would win along with the wolves if they win.

It can well be possible that there is a Hunter, a Soldier/Assassin (a person that may kill straight away, the Golden Dagger) and a Cobbler.
So far I see hints about only the Golden Dagger, the hints don't tell the role.

Originally Posted by Nogrod, the Rulemaster

- As long as there are three wolves they will have two kills / Night. As soon as one of them gets killed they will only have one kill / Night.

This would talk for the theory about an Alpha Wolf and two normal/weaker wolves (as the storywolf bit them only quickly). I think that the Alpha Wolf doesn't know the other wolves and the other way round.
The Alpha Wolf probably has some special ability.

Originally Posted by Nogrod, the Rulemaster

- The rangers will start not knowing the identities of each other. But due to certain circumstances they might learn each others identities and with good luck they might even earn the right to PM during the Days! (the last one would require some especially good luck or real cunning "teamplay" and daring by them)

I still think that the certain circumstances are the Rangers protecting the same person and when successfully they will get the right of PM.

I am doing this mostly for my own fun, as WW is just a game to enjoy.