WW XXIX Dor-en-Gaur

[Mithalwen]

Well yes because whatever the role of GDB, there are 2 other gifted we have no clues on... or do we...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

Well yes because whatever the role of GDB, there are 2 other gifted we have no clues on... or do we...

Right, and another of them is evil, unless I've misunderstood something.

I'll go to study spanish, I'll be back sometime later toDay.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Scenario: Wolf Gil-Galad, much to the evil-doers displeasure, is harrassed on Day One. He gets quite close to being lynched. The other wolves know the slayings of Roa and Macalaure will point to Gil but they accept that the village will probably want to lynch him sooner or later; and so they kill a couple of Gil voters in the hope that one is a Seer.

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Scenario: Wolf Gil-Galad, much to the evil-doers displeasure, is harrassed on Day One. He gets quite close to being lynched. The other wolves know the slayings of Roa and Macalaure will point to Gil but they accept that the village will probably want to lynch him sooner or later; and so they kill a couple of Gil voters in the hope that one is a Seer.

I was a Gil voter, and I'm still keeping an eye on him as I've already said this morning, and oddly I've come under some suspicion today for things that aren't weird in any way. If it's the same group going after his voters, then this would show up in some of the names who voted for Volo (or even Boro?) yesterday?

Anguirel also voted for Gil - notably changing at the last minute. Watch it, Ang, I note that Lommy who was picking me apart was also looking at you!

I'm waiting for the lynch mob to descend now.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

My problem seems to be that I have come in to this case baised. . . I have had a tendency to be suspiciouse of the same people as I have been in previouse games. . .and being sympathetic towards people I have had some sort of connection with in other games (or on other threads) and it is troubles ome. Because as I try not to be baised I risk closing my eyse for the people I normaly suspect and be overly suspiciouse of people just because I feel good about them.

So I am split between if I should search through my "feel good list" or my "feel bad list". . . .

Now Gil has been a subject of attention today and I must say that he has gotten a bit of my attention as well. He has not posted much, but that is what could be expected and he did warn us of thise, what bothers me is that he seems to lack the controvercie that normaly gathers around him. This makes me un-easy and think that he for once is actually trying to stay alive for as long as possible. He may be a wolf and I might end up voting for him, it is too early to say now. . . .

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

So I am split between if I should search through my "feel good list" or my "feel bad list". . . .

Poor Rune, I feel the same way and it's horrible, fortunately I've almost got over it toDay. (Yes, Rune was on my sympathising-list... )

Lalwendë, because of the few posts you've made during my absence I feel less uneasy about you. But I didn't quite get what you were saying in #234...

~*~

Now, about the special roles
On the admin thread, all quotes by Modgrod

There will be three additional characters that may benefit the village or the wolves, depending on their luck and judgement.

Of those three at least yet undisclosed characters:

One of them would be new to this game. At least I haven't seen one like that before. The two others would be more familiar, but with a little twist. One of them might have some real influence on how the things turn out, another one would have her/his share over the fortunes of the village and with the third one everything would be a bit more subtle. My initial idea was and is that I would not disclose these roles to you before the game but that you might get some hints / revelations through the Nightly narrations about them.

Of those three undisclosed ones two would basically be on the side of the villagers and one on the side of the wolves. They could all benefit the cause they are fighting for but they could also harm their cause. The one being on the wolves' side would not be counted as a wolf but as a villager in the last Days tally, but would win along with the wolves if they win.

So, with these quotes, Boro's revealment and the narrational hints I think the three mysterious roles are:
1) Some sort of hunter = Boro - on the village's side.
2) The golden dagger guy who has (at least to some extent) a license to kill - on the village's side, probably both the one who has "influence" and the "new one" (referring to Nogrod's words about the roles in the admin thread).
3) Some version of/ a sort of cobbler - on the wolves' side.

~*~
Back to spanish, but again, I'll be back.

[Lalwendë]

Lalwendë, because of the few posts you've made during my absence I feel less uneasy about you. But I didn't quite get what you were saying in #234...

I was speculating on what Eomer observed, looking at the patterns of behaviour against or pro those who voted for Gil yesterday. Doing that little analysis though, I've realised you are probably not one of the ones who may or may not be in the group acting against Gil voters. Farael is in this group seemingly, without going deeper into his posts, and yet he is quite vehemently against you, Lommy. Why would he bluff to that extent? It would just make any plot far too baroque and complex.

I think you are right on those roles, especially going by Nogrod's narration as the day began. All this speculation on what they might be is smokescreening as it seems more or less clear, all apart from which side everyone is on for sure and how much people know about who has what role. And what purpose does it serve if we root out Rangers? It would only help the wolves. I think it would be safer too for the Hunter and the dagger person to remain quiet, even if whoever has this dagger is a bit scary as it's like having a lynch opportunity that's not subject to a vote so we're all vulnerable if they get it wrong.

[Rikae]

I have a few minutes before school.

To what Lommy said:
I was under the impression that the golden dagger guy was the hunter with a twist; most likely Boro. One reason is that list of three names he made before going out to kill Celuien; the other is the fact that he picked Celuien to kill. We know Boro suspected her.

That means we have two other secret roles. I think you're right that one would be on the side of the wolves; Boro's could either harm or help the village, so I'm guessing the third is an information-gathering role; possibly some kind of weaver?

I see Durelin voted for me, which makes her look less innocent; her attacks were based largely on misinterpretations of my posts or merely on the fact that I asked questions about the wolf-kills. Her case against me doesn't seem logical, and she still sticks to it.

Morm, if you're referring to my "I heard that" comment, it was a reference to the last game we played together, as well as to a TV show (apparently no one's seen). The implication was that you were alluding to me and my "floodposting". At any rate, it isn't just that you're posts have been few; it's that you aren't stirring up controversy the way I've seen you do in the past.

I'll be back after school to catch up.I'll cast a vote now, but could very well change it at the end of the day.

++Mormegil

EDIT: Crossed with Ang, Gil and Lal.

[Lalwendë]

I won't be dissuaded from doing an analysis which is what I enjoy.

Yesterday's Votes
Gil
Durelin, Anguirel (x-ed from Volo), Roa, Me, Mac

Boro
Gil, Kath, Volo

Volo
Mithalwen, Farael, Eomer, Morm, Celuien (x-ed from Naria), Firefoot (x-ed from Boro), Rikae (x-ed from Anguirel)

Dead
Volo - lynched
Mac - slain
Roa - slain
Celuien - stabbed

Mac and Roa were both Gil voters. I think we were all dodgy about the way Volo got set about by the mob too, with Anguirel changing at a late stage. Nobody here seems much in cahoots aside from a feeling that Volo was being so over the top he couldn't possibly be a wolf. Incidentally, there's an interesting game dynamic of those who believe in outright 'honesty' and those who suspect it as bluster.

Volo came in all guns blazing and he was an easy target really. A blameless lynch? I'm not so sure today. There have to have been, statistically speaking, some innocents involved in voting for him. With seven votes, we can take away Celuien leaving six votes. Would all of the wolves go for one lynch? Has that ever happened? There are a fair few names in here that have not as yet raised any suspicions with me. Mithalwen and Morm I have already mentioned as raising doubts for the first time today, and I have been considering Farael but there's nothing much to go on yet. I doubt Eomer would be silly enough to raise this notion if he was a Wolf. Or would he? Bearing in mind I am new to this? Of course Celuien was innocent. That Rikae switched from Anguirel suggests she was swept along as if she had been in this 'camp' she'd just have stuck with Anguirel, him being an enemy. But Firefoot is interesting as she switches from the Volo-lynch-camp rival, Boro. So from this I deduct Mithalwen, Morm, Firefoot as definitely fishy and Farael worth a second look. If Gil is a wolf then we have a list of five there, which narrows the odds.

[Anguirel]

To recover from such a hideous Night, we really need to look for wolves. That means no theorising about a Seer who certainly does not exist - one of the main experimental points of this game was to see how well multiple Rangers could function without a Seer, I think. We need to concentrate on the crux of the problem.

At least we have many known innocents - Macalaure, Roa, Celuien, Volo and pretty much Boro too (I also see no reason to challenge his status as the hunter.) On the minus side, Celuien's death almost certainly doesn't lead back to a wolf. If this dagger-wielder insists on leaving corpses with useless trails like that one, they could be a real hindrance. Let's hope, as Thinlomien guessed, that they have only one kill.

I will post what I think about the votes as soon as poss; they are probably our most useful fund of information. For the record, I'm inclined to think Gil-Galad innocent too. I'm not at all sure that a single wolf came under serious threat last night.

One interesting thing to observe is that yesterday the general mood seemed to be that Firefoot was suspicious. By this morning the general mood veers towards me, I get the feeling. Durelin was a loud proponent of both causes. Hmmm.

[Gil-Galad]

i am inclined to Thinlomiens posiston of Fareal using that method to slip under the radar...

without any other suspicons( i'm such a loving guy sometimes) i must submit my vote



++Fareal