What happened to Eomer???? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Elfchick7 · 04-04-2007, 05:04 PM

Hmm. I wonder why I remember him being more important in the books. I guess I'll have to reread them.

The Might · 04-04-2007, 05:16 PM

Well, that happened with about all the characters due to lack of time in the movie. There definitely are characters which lost much more of their "shine" from the books, for example the really non-existent Tom Bombadil that played a key role in helping the Hobbits continue their quest, and eventually also in the defeat of the Witch-king.

Finduilas · 04-04-2007, 07:06 PM

The movie really downplayed everyone. I actually didn't notice Eomers loss of notice, except that they did not at all have his friendship with either Aragorn or Gimli. That kinda bugged me.

Snowdog · 04-04-2007, 07:21 PM

The whole Eomer "banishment" in the movie in place of his "jailing" in the books is what didn't make sense. As if one "banished from a kingdom" by the King, no matter his state of mind or under whose influence, would be allowed to ride off with a fair-sized army to.... where?

No, it didn't make a whole lot of sense. I understand what elfchick is getting at here.

Sir Kohran · 04-05-2007, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Snowdog

The whole Eomer "banishment" in the movie in place of his "jailing" in the books is what didn't make sense. As if one "banished from a kingdom" by the King, no matter his state of mind or under whose influence, would be allowed to ride off with a fair-sized army to.... where?

No, it didn't make a whole lot of sense. I understand what elfchick is getting at here.

He says "My company are those loyal to Rohan, and for that we are banished", so I assume he was just thrown out of Edoras by himself and most of the soldiers followed him willingly. I agree it's a bit odd that he just disappears with them all right until the climax of the movie. However, I've been playing Battle for Middle Earth (based on the movie) where several of the missions have Eomer and his men fighting Saruman's forces in random places in Rohan until they go to Helm's Deep, so I guess he just left to fight elsewhere.

Lalaith · 04-05-2007, 06:05 AM

As far as I'm concerned Karl Urban's Eomer was one of the best characterisations in the films, and one of the few I have no issues with at all.
I really liked the way he was shown as a serious, driven young man, of few words. I thought of his sister as just like him, and wish Miranda Otto had been directed in such a way.

The Might · 04-05-2007, 06:42 AM

In the books Eomer does not have 2000 men like Aragorn says in the movie, but only his eored of 120 men.

"In times of war or unquiet each Marshal of the Mark had under his immediate orders, as part of his "household" (that is, quartered under arms at his residence) an eored ready for battle which he could use in an emergency at his own discretion. This was what Eomer had in fact done; but the charge against him, urged by Grima, was that the King had in this case forbidden him to take any of the still uncommitted forces of the East-mark from Edoras, which was insufficiently defended; that he knew of the disaster of the Fords of Isen and the death of Theodred before he pursued the Orcs into the remote Wold; and that he had also against general orders allowed strangers to go free, and had even lent them horses" (UT).

I also thought that the size of the army Eomer left with was a bit exagerated, and that he wouldn't have been allowed to do such a thing.

Elfchick7 · 04-05-2007, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Lalaith

As far as I'm concerned Karl Urban's Eomer was one of the best characterisations in the films, and one of the few I have no issues with at all.

I fully agree with you, Lalaith. I have no problem with Karl Urban portrayal of Eomer. It is, rather, I wish there had more screen time for him. Eomer is such a great character.

As for the size of Eomer's "army", I concur. It was a bit unbelievable. Saruman and Wormtongue are not so foolish as to banish them as an army. You would think that would find more clever ways of dealing with the problem. Uruk-Hai assassins, for example...

The Sixth Wizard · 04-06-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir Kohran

However, I've been playing Battle for Middle Earth (based on the movie) where several of the missions have Eomer and his men fighting Saruman's forces in random places in Rohan until they go to Helm's Deep, so I guess he just left to fight elsewhere.

That's a good game!

I don't think Eomer was nerfed as much as some of the other characters. Gimli is a tool, Legolas a chick magnet. Aragorn can't control his brutality (see Mouth of Sauron deleted scene) and Faramir can't resist the power of the ring by what I remember. Frodo's too young, Pippin and Meriadoc were comic relief, Sam was 'sent home' by Gollum, Saruman has no power of the voice, Theoden looked wizened and altogether much too 'poisoned' ... I can go on for years here people!

Anyway, Eomer didn't have it too bad in perspective, though he probably should have been portrayed better in the Battle of the Pellenor fields. Let's just be thankful he's not too badly done by.

P.S. I actually quite like the films, don't get the wrong impression.

Elfchick7 · 04-06-2007, 08:09 PM

Ugh, don't even get me started on Legolas!!! What a disappointment! I could rant and criticize for years....but that is for another thread. Or is it?

04-04-2007, 05:04 PM	#1
Elfchick7 Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the Greenwood Posts: 201	Hmm. I wonder why I remember him being more important in the books. I guess I'll have to reread them. __________________ "Yesterday is history. Tommorow is a mystery. Today is a gift from God. That's why it's called the PRESENT!"

04-04-2007, 05:16 PM	#2
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Well, that happened with about all the characters due to lack of time in the movie. There definitely are characters which lost much more of their "shine" from the books, for example the really non-existent Tom Bombadil that played a key role in helping the Hobbits continue their quest, and eventually also in the defeat of the Witch-king. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

04-05-2007, 06:05 AM	#6
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	As far as I'm concerned Karl Urban's Eomer was one of the best characterisations in the films, and one of the few I have no issues with at all. I really liked the way he was shown as a serious, driven young man, of few words. I thought of his sister as just like him, and wish Miranda Otto had been directed in such a way. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

04-05-2007, 06:42 AM	#7
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	In the books Eomer does not have 2000 men like Aragorn says in the movie, but only his eored of 120 men. "In times of war or unquiet each Marshal of the Mark had under his immediate orders, as part of his "household" (that is, quartered under arms at his residence) an eored ready for battle which he could use in an emergency at his own discretion. This was what Eomer had in fact done; but the charge against him, urged by Grima, was that the King had in this case forbidden him to take any of the still uncommitted forces of the East-mark from Edoras, which was insufficiently defended; that he knew of the disaster of the Fords of Isen and the death of Theodred before he pursued the Orcs into the remote Wold; and that he had also against general orders allowed strangers to go free, and had even lent them horses" (UT). I also thought that the size of the army Eomer left with was a bit exagerated, and that he wouldn't have been allowed to do such a thing. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

04-06-2007, 08:09 PM	#10
Elfchick7 Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the Greenwood Posts: 201	Ugh, don't even get me started on Legolas!!! What a disappointment! I could rant and criticize for years....but that is for another thread. Or is it? __________________ "Yesterday is history. Tommorow is a mystery. Today is a gift from God. That's why it's called the PRESENT!"

04-04-2007, 07:06 PM	#3
Finduilas Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Home. Where rolling green hills and clear rivers are practically my backyard. Posts: 595	The movie really downplayed everyone. I actually didn't notice Eomers loss of notice, except that they did not at all have his friendship with either Aragorn or Gimli. That kinda bugged me.

04-04-2007, 07:21 PM	#4
Snowdog Emperor of the South Pole Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Western Shore of Lake Evendim Posts: 666	The whole Eomer "banishment" in the movie in place of his "jailing" in the books is what didn't make sense. As if one "banished from a kingdom" by the King, no matter his state of mind or under whose influence, would be allowed to ride off with a fair-sized army to.... where? No, it didn't make a whole lot of sense. I understand what elfchick is getting at here.

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