Christopher Tolkien to finish lost Middle Earth novel - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 04-21-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir Kohran

I'm actually feeling sad...this is probably the first time a book has moved me this much. The power of Tolkien...

The power of the old legends told by people who live in countries where the sun doesn't rise in the winter for a couple of months...

davem · 04-22-2007, 02:06 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/oxford/content/...19/hurin.shtml
(link just below Tolkien pic)

And a very good review of CoH by John Garth (Tolkien & the Great War) in today's Sunday Telegraph - not on line as yet, but I'll keep an eye on the site...

davem · 04-22-2007, 11:26 AM

Here's a transcript of the Newsnight interview:
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2007/s1901898.htm

William Cloud Hicklin · 04-22-2007, 01:48 PM

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The omision of the last version genealogy of Orodreth's genealogy is a real shame to me. Why don't make it right?

I agree about this. It seems that CT thinks the latest genealogy is an ‘unworkable’ projected change, but I entirely fail to see why.

It's not a question of workability or un-, but rather Christopher's decision to present JRRT's Narn as closely as possible. At the time the Narn was written (1951-56 or 57), Orodreth was still Felagund's brother: the revised genealogy arose later. Introducing elements from other, later writings was the sort of editorial 'meddling' CRT sought to avoid this time around.

Whether 'later' = 'correct' is a debate for another day.....

William Cloud Hicklin · 04-22-2007, 01:50 PM

I love this from The Washington Post:

"Its central protagonist, Túrin, is one of the most complex characters in all Middle Earth, a tormented, brooding anti-hero who bears hallmarks of a sword-wielding Heathcliff."

davem · 04-22-2007, 01:55 PM

Someone's jumping on the bandwagon

http://www.childrenofhurinmovie.com/

**lindil** · 04-22-2007, 05:05 PM

thanks for the review Aiwendil, I looked in vain for a detailed account of it's composite construction from the amazon reviews the day after it came out.

I did get a chance to peek at it yesterday but too much was going on in the local bookstore to dive in.

From Dave M's review sounds like I may want the deluxe [esp if a matching Silm may be on the way]

As for a movie? Please lord NO!

CJRT as I have heard holds the cards here, and I am grateful.
May the Silmarillion and all it's stories remain forever untainted by the artistic lic, of hollywood. Been there, done that...

Aiwendil mentioned the conservatism of CJRT's choices, but this was a foregone conclusion as the 2nd ed. Silm made only the most minor changes. If the Gil-Galad parentage question was going to be revisted, that would have been the time. He wants ths to be an intro to the Silm it seems [I did get to rtead a bit of the preface/fwd]. I am actually suprised he changed even when Anglachel was given!

Overall though it may well be the intro to the Silm that has been needed since 77 for so many folks who didn't or had a hard time 'getting it'.

I wonder if he will do the same for Beren and Luthien as my memory recalls that there was a fairly detailed 50's version of the first sections, that was not used for the Silm, and undoubtedly other more detailed texts were compressed as well, and it would have probably an even wider appeal. IN all of the interviews has there been any word for CJRT or Adam that there will be more Silm material to come???

And apologies if that was adressed already...

04-22-2007, 02:06 AM	#2
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	Radio interview with Alan Lee & David Brawn of Harper Collins http://www.bbc.co.uk/oxford/content/...19/hurin.shtml (link just below Tolkien pic) And a very good review of CoH by John Garth (Tolkien & the Great War) in today's Sunday Telegraph - not on line as yet, but I'll keep an eye on the site... __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects." Last edited by davem; 04-22-2007 at 03:31 AM.

04-22-2007, 11:26 AM	#3
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	Here's a transcript of the Newsnight interview: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2007/s1901898.htm __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."

04-22-2007, 01:55 PM	#6
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	Someone's jumping on the bandwagon http://www.childrenofhurinmovie.com/ __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."

04-22-2007, 05:05 PM	#7
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	thanks for the review Aiwendil, I looked in vain for a detailed account of it's composite construction from the amazon reviews the day after it came out. I did get a chance to peek at it yesterday but too much was going on in the local bookstore to dive in. From Dave M's review sounds like I may want the deluxe [esp if a matching Silm may be on the way] As for a movie? Please lord NO! CJRT as I have heard holds the cards here, and I am grateful. May the Silmarillion and all it's stories remain forever untainted by the artistic lic, of hollywood. Been there, done that... Aiwendil mentioned the conservatism of CJRT's choices, but this was a foregone conclusion as the 2nd ed. Silm made only the most minor changes. If the Gil-Galad parentage question was going to be revisted, that would have been the time. He wants ths to be an intro to the Silm it seems [I did get to rtead a bit of the preface/fwd]. I am actually suprised he changed even when Anglachel was given! Overall though it may well be the intro to the Silm that has been needed since 77 for so many folks who didn't or had a hard time 'getting it'. I wonder if he will do the same for Beren and Luthien as my memory recalls that there was a fairly detailed 50's version of the first sections, that was not used for the Silm, and undoubtedly other more detailed texts were compressed as well, and it would have probably an even wider appeal. IN all of the interviews has there been any word for CJRT or Adam that there will be more Silm material to come??? And apologies if that was adressed already... __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

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04-22-2007, 01:50 PM	#5
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	I love this from The Washington Post: "Its central protagonist, Túrin, is one of the most complex characters in all Middle Earth, a tormented, brooding anti-hero who bears hallmarks of a sword-wielding Heathcliff."