Werewolf XXXII: The Lost Age

[Rikae]

No, it couldn't be. She said they all recieve votes, as does the shade, and that makes four votes that could be lies...
Innocents wouldn't be lying about voting for gifteds, because they wouldn't know the person was gifted until after "you have lynched your hunter", or the like, pops up in the narration.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Boro

So, either Kitanna honestly got confused by all the roles, or she's playing up the part of the confused vampire.

Exactly. And thence I think all this discussion about "what did Kitanna really say" is somewhat off-topic and misleading. It's either/or. And as a reason for even a Day1 vote I see it as a bad one. A similar case could be made of anyone around here: "a vampire might have acted like X did".

No, I don't say that Kitanna is innocent. I'm just trying to fight against that normal "feel-good"-factor which relieves villagers from making tough decisions when someone brings forwards a case-looking thing that everyone can then act on by agreeing.

So as Boro said earlier. More accusations, more suspicions - and what's the most important - reactions to them. That's what we need to have an idea about who's who. More importantly in this game where the voting record will be partly faulty and incomplete...

I try to do my part of it next.

ED. X'd from Legate onwards

[Gil-Galad]

Alright, after reading Boro's post about kitanna, who could be a vampire playing a confused innocent, i am torn between rikae and kitanna... but i have heard more from rikae then kitanna so...


i have sent in my vote for Rikae

Xed with Lommy

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Mac

If we do get the exact number, it will be even better if the figures are correct! I mean, that would be a lot of known innocents all at once, wouldn't it? (though the semi-innocent shade might be among them)

Well, sort of, but that depends on whether or not you think the lynch seer is innocent, doesn't it? Don't forget that the vampires can be lynch seers, too. Wouldn't be just perfect if the Vampire came out and claimed that the number of votes added up, thus making one of his allies a known innocent? While this would be useful, and I encourage any innocent who is the lynch seer to come forward with the count, I would advise against taking their word at face value.

Originally Posted by Rikae

"I think Eomer has a good point about Kitanna. I can't quite believe she would honestly make the mistake of thinking the gifteds were on the vampires' side. I would be interested in hearing more from her.

While Nogrod's and Gil's case were almost pure fabrication, this, Eomer, is what you were looking for, I believe. Rikae, that's how we caught Glirdan last game. How could you fall for it now?

Originally Posted by Celuien

I have cast my vote for Kitanna. On reflection, it was rather odd to think that the vampire-seer/ranger/hunter were additional roles.

That's the flimsiest case yet. And you seem to have fallen into the same trap as Rikae. Also, you seemingly agreed to the plan of posting our votes, while discrediting it in the same post.

Originally Posted by Eomer

Rikae mentioned that I had 'a good point about Kitanna.' But I didn't. I didn't have a single point about Kitanna. All I said was that she's a vampire and then, from nowhere, Rikae and Celuien are on her case. You, Lommy, can't understand their reasoning, and neither can I.

Ah, I was right.

And people, in all this talk of what Kitanna said, we are missing the point that two people jumped on an weakly expressed suspicion.

EDIT: Crossed with Lommy and Gil

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

And people, in all this talk of what Kitanna said, we are missing the point that two people jumped on an weakly expressed suspicion.

Just my words... although I'm not sure how strongly Rikae "jumped on it" but anyhow she went on with them and has been interestingly quiet after she crossposted with my suspicions of the case against Kitanna (which was mainly pointed towards Celuien's vote).

EDIT: X'd with Rikae onwards... so forget what I said about Rikae being interestingly quiet...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I precent you with my choice of the day: Menel

He is kind of an easy target, but hey what can you expect on day one. It is either him or complete randomness. . .

Anyways he had his firs IC post which as saucie said did not contain much substanse and ever since he had only done one liners.

I am of course going to use the classical "flying under the radar" argumentation, but I think it applies very well in this case. Saying nothing of substance, but posting frequently enough not to be marked downs as "not contributing". OK if it was to be perfect he would have to make a bit longer posts, but it always differs depending on the person.

ok that was my reasoning for wanting to vote for him. . .and now for something completely different.

He mentioned that we should not be giving anyone the benifit of the doubt and Saucie thought this a bad idea, I think I will actually defend Menel a bit on that part. Too often have people been given the benifit of the doubt and turned out to be wolves, in some cases these persons actually won the game, I my self have been guilty on doing this. Especially 2 wolwish victories comes to mind. The one of Nilp not too long ago and the one of Malkatoj quite some time ago.

I think there is actually wisdome in not giving people like Sleepy too much leash.

any who I will be voting for Menel.

EDIT: Cross posted with a whole lot of people. . .I cannot say exactly how many as I forgot what the last thing I read was.

[Rikae]

I just sent in my vote.

++Menel

[Rikae]

I'll lay my cards on the table..I'm more leaning towards giving Kitanna the benefit of the doubt. It's obviously easy to get mixed up here. I'm more inclined to vote for Menel - not a spite vote, mind you, but because he's doing with me what I did as a wolf in Nogrod's game; picking someone vocal and safe to target with apparently, little thought on his part.

[Gil-Galad]

Remember, it is only day One, and none of us have that much to go off of, so we have to use what is here...


xed with lommy

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Roa

While Nogrod's and Gil's case were almost pure fabrication, this, Eomer, is what you were looking for, I believe. Rikae, that's how we caught Glirdan last game. How could you fall for it now?

Clearly, I wouldn't and didn't.
I looked at her post to see what she was "doing", and indeed, it looked fishy. If we had a cobbler, I'd say it looked cobblerish, but I don't think we do.

[Boromir88]

I wouldn't say this, even if it is as you say, raises any alarm. It might or might not be a mistake, but if it was intentional, why would she want to say that?~Legate

Well if she's innocent she wants clarification. If she's a vampire it's I think what Nogrod said:

Exactly. And thence I think all this discussion about "what did Kitanna really say" is somewhat off-topic and misleading.

Then it is to get us off topic and mislead.

Which leads me to this next:

So as Boro said earlier. More accusations, more suspicions -

It's time to stop diddy-daddling and let's get some names out here.

Unfortunately, there hasn't been really too much that strikes me too vampirish, besides Eomer's nice eye regarding Rikae and Celuien jumping on his 'suspicion' of Kitanna. Of those two I would go for Celuien. Usually I don't suspect those who vote amongst the first. However, this time it's different. As these votes in the thread don't mean squat to the vampires, so they will post their fake vote in here whenever they feel like it.

And perhaps the vampires would like to post their 'votes' in here early on to try to get someone under some suspicion and get a bandwagon going. I wonder if that's what happened here. Eomer announces that he suspects Kitanna, Rikae jumps on it, but even more suspicious Celuien quickly announces her vote for Kitanna.

Eomer may have just set a brilliant trap, so for now I trust him.

Roa has been a cool guiding force trying to keep us on task, so like Eomer, for now I trust her.

Everyone else is kind of in the mix. And besides Rikae or Celuien, I am nervous about Legate. Not only has Legate been playing a bit too nice, but I haven't seen anything from Legate as far as suspects. Legate has solely been defending people and saying 'that doesn't raise an alarm and if it does it's not enough to lynch someone.' This I find quite worrying as:

1. I find not listing names and throwing people under the light to only be a detriment to the village...we need to get more suspects here, (not just Rikae and Kitanna). Too many suspects helps the vampires, but so does too few!

2. Of course on Day 1 we are not going to find any sort of convincing evidence for lynching someone...it's a crap shoot, we take a little nit-picky thing someone spotted and roll with it. That's how Day 1 works, so all this cautioning of let's not lynch someone because there is not enough 'evidence' to lynch someone does us no good. As there is no evidence to start out with, and we go with what we got.

x-ed with many many many people