Werewolf XXXII: The Lost Age

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

This caught my eye. Are you speaking metaphorically or saying that there really was only one wolf, erm, vampire among Menel-voters? Or are my English skills (or wits) misleading me?

What I ment was that if one was to make such a bold bluff as pretending to be the lynch seer, then it would be more advisable to say that only one vote was missing. That way there would be more innocent killed before the treachery was discovered.

I hope that is good enough for you.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I would like to hear, why Rune thought Rikae should dream either of Nogrod or of Roa. Why not Spm, who was suspected more than Roa?

Because I found them more interesting at the time. . .
I think it is very odd that you are implying that I should look at whom people in genneral suspects the most and advice Rikae to look at them. Not only would that allow the vampires great infulence on the dream (if Rikae listened to the advice) it would also be very populistic. . .I hate populists.

just a small comment: There is of course also the possibilty that a person mixed up with the voting and therefor did not get his/hers vote counted.

Edit: just adjusting the last bit of my post

[Durelin]

Well, I think who dies toDay will be very telling of who the vampires are, even if we don't get one toDay...

[Macalaure]

Ah well, let's just say:

++Saucepan Man

[Rikae]

So long, and thanks for all the fish...

good luck...

EDIT: Write me a good death, Volo!

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Because I found them more interesting at the time. . .
I think it is very odd that you are implying that I should look at whom people in genneral suspects the most and advice Rikae to look at them. Not only would that allow the vampires great infulence on the dream (if Rikae listened to the advice) it would also be very populistic. . .I hate populists.

You're right. I didn't think about the matter enough before posting it. At that moment I was more inclined to vote for Spm than for Legate, and as I knew that Roa was innocent, and had no reason not to believe Nogrod was the Hunter, it really seemed to me that it was deliberate that you didn't suggest Rikae to dream of Spm (those three were the names she had herself stated, eventhough only to see what kind of suggestions she would get). Two Menel-voters had lied, and I began to see a connection between you and Spm, as you both had voted for him. Apparently I was completely wrong, because yesterDay I was pretty sure you two were Vampires, and now that Legate is dead it seems very unlikely that either of you are.

[Durelin]

Well, this is really sucking it up for the Vampires...I feel bad. Seriously.

This just shows how terrible I am with anything...logistical? Anyway...

...what about Gil as the last Vampire?

[Durelin]

You know, you guys are so lucky I wasn't the Shade. I would have let you all die slowly, encouraging you to trust Eomer.....

Actually, I would have just killed Rikae last night...

[Diamond18]

Geez, where is Rikae? I hope she doesn't think she's dead and doesn't bother to show up. I want to know who she dreamt of.

[Aganzir]

And hope she wasn't so sure of her death that she would not have bothered to pick anyone to dream of.

I'll go and have some sleep now - I'll probably be back a couple of hours before the deadline, since it's school tomorrow and my school library is only open on Thursdays and Fridays (though the breaks are too short that I would have time to post anything even if the library was open).

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Spm

This is doing my head in but, unless either Nogrod or Gil is a Vampire, there were four votes cast for Rikae on Day 1. So Celuien would have had to have received four votes to be lynched - Roa, Aganzir, Lomiella - and who else? Eomer?

This is why I wanted to know if Kitanna voted for Celuien or for someone else, although she said she didn't. For if she didn't, then either Nogrod or Gil should be a vampire (if I didn't miss something).

[Nogrod]

Back again from the May 1st... And how interesting this is getting! And as Spm said, I feel the tide turning after many arduous Days and Nights. Let's figure this out!

My first thoughts: let's lynch Eomer who even himself kind of admitted (that's the new wolf stategy - being absent and then saying "I don't mind but love to see you take the toil of it"). Anyhow that would probably kill a wolf and thence relieve Kitanna as she clearly might then be our helper in our success. Okay, the vampires might kill her then but there are lots of other targets for them as well (myself, Rikae, Boro, Mac). So everything's open for the future after that.

And good work ranger and shade! One thing that caught my eye was that the narration led us understand that it was the same person that the shade and the ranger protected. So it might not have been Rikae as Rikae was defended last Night already? This would say the vamps were not after Rikae last Night.

So Kitanna, you might consider telling us who did you cover last Night as you have now revealed yourself anyhow! I know why you wouldn't, but just think of the spirit of the winning on the side of the goodies! And possibly we win this with your help toMorrow without you needing to go down (they might wish to kill Rikae, myself, Mac, Boro instead).

The information would be nice as I think the Ranger should lay low as s/he has so far at this moment a reason not to reveal whom s/he protected.

Yay ranger! You're driving those baddies mad! Kudos!

Edit: X'd with a few... + added a few "s" to where they belonged... + made sense of a sentence that had none before... (the last one before the Kudos! -one)

[Nogrod]

Kitanna speaks the truth = Eomer is a vampire.

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Kitanna lies to us = Eomer is or is not a vampire.

In that case we waste one kill (Eomer) but as we have so many known innocents (at least three) we can afford to trust that so much as to try it out this way. I mean the shade helped us last Night (according to the narration) and thence wished us good - as that is reasonable anyhow - and so far Kitanna is the only one to have voiced it...



But let's us not leave the discussion here!


If Eomer indeed is a vampire that opens all the discussion from Day1 votes again!

And the situation changes...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Woo.

++Eomer

Let's see.... this post may not make a lot of sense, because I'm leaving in... fifteen minutes to go to work, but here goes:

Confirmed Innocents:

Rikae
Nogrod
Macalaure
Boromir

Shade:

Kitanna

Would it make sense to say that all of yesterday's Legate voters are innocent?

[Rikae]

Lommy is innocent.

++Eomer.

[The Sixth Wizard]

Erm, guys? Didn't Eomer just admit he's a Vampire, more or less?

[Gil-Galad]

i missed half the day and we alreayd bagged ourselves a vampie and possibly one more!

after Legates death, who is a vampire, i still want to incline to my theory before, but now Shasta doesn't seem that vampirish, and if Kitanna is right and Eomer is the vampire then we are good to go

In Kitanna we trust

++Eomer


(OOC: for fear of not coming back on, it is my bros b-day, i vote now)

Xed: with Sixth

[Nogrod]

I agree with lynchig Eomer toDay.

But let us not be too hasty with it to subdue any other discussion. We still have the third Vampire around and s/he should not slip us!

So I come back to this:

Day3
Di: Glirdy (Glirdy 1)
Xyzzy: Nogrod (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1)
Gil: Shasta (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1)
Sixth: Durelin (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1)
Esspiem: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1)
Rikae: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 1, Spm 1)
Shasta: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Spm 1)
Boro: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Spm 2)
Lommy: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Spm 3)
Kitanna: Eomer (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 2, Spm 3, Eomer 1)
Rune: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 3, Spm 3, Eomer 1)
Aganzir: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 3, Spm 4, Eomer 1)
Durelin: Legate (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Spm 4, Eomer 1)
Mac: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Spm 5, Eomer 1)
Nogrod: Spm (Nogrod 1, Glirdy 1, Shasta 1, Durelin 1, Legate 4, Spm 6, Eomer 1)

No votes: Glirdy (dead innocent), Legate (dead vampire), Eomer

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According to Boro (a known innocent) Legate (a vampire) received 5 votes and not 4 as was told!

According to the stated voting Spm got 6 votes and not the 5 / 4 he might have actually received.

According to the information toDay, the shade was helping us innocent villagers... so we should take Kitanna's word for her vote as given at this moment.

If you look at the tally it means that Rikae, Boro, Mac and myself voted for Spm. And as we have no reason to lie at this point (I as a hunter voted indeed Spm) it looks like Spm had four votes at least.

But Legate had actually 5 votes as a known innocent claims it to be so!

Spm, Shasta, Rune, Durelin voted for Legate - it's four votes and there is then one missing...

So they are innocent as well?

Probably they are... as we need the innocent people to vote.

So what say you Aganzir? Your vote might have just fitted in before Spm got his...

I need to think this more carefully again but this far I might say our vampires are Eomer and Aganzir.

The Day1 voting needs to be seen again, though. I can see Eomer twisting that thing with one but with two? Then it leads to Kitanna...

But lynching Eomer will give us a lot of the answers to begin with.

EDIT: X'd with a few...

[Kitanna]

++ Eomer

Also I'd like to say I did NOT attack Rikae on Night 3. In fact I tried to kill Eomer in the night, but it appeared he had been protected from my attack. As you may have guessed I protected Rikae last night.

Since there's a good chance of my own demise tonight, I am looking for thoughts on who the third vampire may be. I can't protect anyone tonight and I'd hate to think a dream may go to waste, but I can attempt to kill the third vampire if, as a village, we can reach a general consensus.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I can attempt to kill the third vampire if, as a village, we can reach a general consensus.

Eomer was then protected by Legate or the X. Now Eomer will be killed so how about you try Aganzir toNight. I might hunt her as well. We might get her nicely before she can do any further harm... or at least lynch her toMorrow.

But to complicate things again...

Originally Posted by Kit

Also I'd like to say I did NOT attack Rikae on Night 3. In fact I tried to kill Eomer in the night, but it appeared he had been protected from my attack.

So who was it? Should we try to go on interpreting the narration again? So it was a vampire-ranger who did the protecting there? (I have gathered the vampires in the narrations must be out of their bodies anyhow - so as they discuss things they can refer to people of the village, even themselves).

But that's a question I might hope some contributions of you others....

I stil think voting Eomer toDay is a good idea (solves at least a couple of riddles), but there seems to be discrepancies still... I try to think more of them tomorrow (RL) as now I'm off to sleep...

[Nogrod]

If Lommy is innocent it makes Spm gathering 5 votes.

That means the Legate must have acquired the same 5 votes before Spm.

How is that possible?

Spm was voted by 5 known innocents: Rikae, Lommy, Boro, Mac and Nogrod. So there has to be at least 5 Legate voters...

The Legate voters were: Spm, Shasta, Rune, Durelin.

So we're missing at least one here.

Looking at the voting record (not that we can take it from the face-value as the vampires might have voted a lot earlier / later that they claimed they did) it looks like Aganzir's vote on Spm is the one that solves the problem (it fits well also with the way Eomer the possible vampire lied about the tally in the first place).

Now you ask whether a first timer would have been so sneaky... I can tell you she might just as well be. She's no newcomew into this game.

But let's lynch Eomer toDay and see how you other people react to this solution...

Remember baddies, as a hunter I might say one thing and hunt the other one.

EDit: X'd with Kitanna...