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Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-04-2007, 06:47 AM

Good, good. Only I would except old Barney from it. Simply put: I'm looking for characters, who were evil and/or directly or indirectly served the Enemy. Barney was not evil, it was a mistake. The same on Túrin&co - their intention was not to do evil. Ah, yes, that's probably the best formulation: I'm seeking for three surnames of some who had evil intentions in mind. (and thus, indirectly served the Enemy)

Rune Son of Bjarne · 05-04-2007, 06:58 AM

hehe thanks for clarifying. . .

Sackville-Baggins (debatable)
Wormtongue (or was he one of the enemies?)
Ferny

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-04-2007, 07:05 AM

Wormtongue is not a family name, as far as I know.
Sackville-Bagginses are debatable, as you said. Of course, we would mean Lotho here. But from what we know about Hobbits, and even from what is said in the Scouring of the Shire, it seems that his intentions were not actually evil. So, furthermore, we are leaving all hobbits out of that.

So, I believe here it is stated at the point I wanted it to appear: we're looking for three surnames of some who had evil intentions in mind. We do not include any hobbit in that. I'm waiting for your answers

EDIT: Cross-posted with TM. Frodo is another possibility, at the Sammath Naur point, but we might say, it was not his own will that was guiding him at that moment. He repented after that. I'm looking for some who didn't repent, I'm looking for some who really meant it (I think it was not Frodo's intention to rule Middle-Earth even at that moment), I'm looking for some, who would you really place into the rubric labeled "EVIL".

Rune Son of Bjarne · 05-04-2007, 07:12 AM

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Wormtongue is not a family name, as far as I know

No it is not, but you asked for a surname and that it is, just like Turambar is not a family name.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-04-2007, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

No it is not, but you asked for a surname and that it is, just like Turambar is not a family name.

And that's what I said earlier. Turambar or Wormtongue is... well... epitheton, or how would you call it. It's the problem of "surname" having seemingly more meanings in English, counting in even another name... I mean just "family name". So no Turambar, no Wormtongue, no Felagund...

The Might · 05-08-2007, 11:50 AM

Ok, so I have Goatleaf and Ferny so far.
And I need one more who did bad things and so helped Sauron.
But I can't find anyone, since all others have no family names, but titles or nicknames.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-09-2007, 03:22 AM

Yes, yes, Goatleaf and Ferny. However, the last one is the biggest trick.

Hint: the answer is in the vicinage.

The Might · 05-04-2007, 07:02 AM

You should try mentioning that in the beginning...

Ok, so you have two...
I'd add Baggins, Frodo
After he put on the Ring he became ensnared by it and definitely had evil intentions of controlling M-e; this served Sauron as he realised how close to destruction he was.

btw, I think Wormtongue is a title not a family name

05-04-2007, 06:47 AM	#1
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Good, good. Only I would except old Barney from it. Simply put: I'm looking for characters, who were evil and/or directly or indirectly served the Enemy. Barney was not evil, it was a mistake. The same on Túrin&co - their intention was not to do evil. Ah, yes, that's probably the best formulation: I'm seeking for three surnames of some who had evil intentions in mind. (and thus, indirectly served the Enemy) __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-04-2007, 07:05 AM	#3
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Wormtongue is not a family name, as far as I know. Sackville-Bagginses are debatable, as you said. Of course, we would mean Lotho here. But from what we know about Hobbits, and even from what is said in the Scouring of the Shire, it seems that his intentions were not actually evil. So, furthermore, we are leaving all hobbits out of that. So, I believe here it is stated at the point I wanted it to appear: we're looking for three surnames of some who had evil intentions in mind. We do not include any hobbit in that. I'm waiting for your answers EDIT: Cross-posted with TM. Frodo is another possibility, at the Sammath Naur point, but we might say, it was not his own will that was guiding him at that moment. He repented after that. I'm looking for some who didn't repent, I'm looking for some who really meant it (I think it was not Frodo's intention to rule Middle-Earth even at that moment), I'm looking for some, who would you really place into the rubric labeled "EVIL". __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories Last edited by Legate of Amon Lanc; 05-04-2007 at 07:09 AM.

05-08-2007, 11:50 AM	#6
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Ok, so I have Goatleaf and Ferny so far. And I need one more who did bad things and so helped Sauron. But I can't find anyone, since all others have no family names, but titles or nicknames. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-09-2007, 03:22 AM	#7
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Yes, yes, Goatleaf and Ferny. However, the last one is the biggest trick. Hint: the answer is in the vicinage. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-04-2007, 07:02 AM	#8
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	You should try mentioning that in the beginning... Ok, so you have two... I'd add Baggins, Frodo After he put on the Ring he became ensnared by it and definitely had evil intentions of controlling M-e; this served Sauron as he realised how close to destruction he was. btw, I think Wormtongue is a title not a family name __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

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