The Fellowship of the Fourth Age (Part 1): A New Beginning Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Hilde Bracegirdle · 05-04-2007, 10:44 AM

I have been thinking again about the situation in this story, and can’t really see why they would keep the orcs imprisoned long term, unless they intended to use them as bargaining chips should a large group of orcs show up. I might be missing the obvious but wouldn’t they prove a far too dangerous liability on the road? I should think that the question of whether or not to kill them or set them free would linger on the edges of everyone’s mind. All choices would be unsatisfactory, of course. With a flood and the females’ pleas mercy, wouldn’t a large number of the captors start identifying with the group of orcs, especially when finding out they have a similar goal in mind and were similarly oppressed? Perhaps they would recall their own imprisonment and consider freeing the creatures…but when Aiwendil returns, the two groups might decide that there is safety in numbers and that should make some sort of non-aggression pact and travel together. They curiously have common enemies as well. But how does one learn to trust an orc? If of their own accord the orcs save Men or Children from the pit, how far does that go towards earning the Men’s trust? I should think it might go far enough.

These are just some rambling thoughts on the matter

Child of the 7th Age · 05-04-2007, 11:58 AM

Hilde and Durelin and everyone,

I have been meaning to post my agreement on this for some time. I think it is a good idea, and we should run with it as a number of folk have posted positively.

This is where I think we are from previous posts but please tell me if I'm wrong.

I am assuming the orc attempt to rescue the prisoners would come at night. At that point, Gwerr and his two companions would be trapped in the tunnel and thrown in with the rest. The rest of the camp would arrive tomorrow game time. Then the "trial" would take place.....to execute the orcs or let them go. Letting them go would probably mean setting them in the middle of nowhere minus their weapons! I doubt we're talking about cooperation at this point.

Grask's "attempt" to rescue the male orcs and the females' begging for mercy would be part of that trial. If someone wants to brandish a sword threateningly as part of all this, be my guest. The "young folk", both orc (one male, one female)and human, would be wandering off and get into trouble, but no one will know that. We've never set the female orc's age so we might want her to be younger than Grask.

Meanwhile, the entire camp could be at each other's throats....definitely the fun part! Aiwendil would come stalking in and tell everyone about the giant trolls out there on the plain. Give this situation, Aiwendil will actually suggest the possibility of the two groups cooperating, but I have a feeling that he will be ignored or rudely shouted down in the tumult of the moment. In the midst of this mayhem we get the word of trouble in the pit, and everyone has to pitch in.

Firefoot -- Grask would play a key role here, presumably as a "leader" or those who are trapped by the rising water, especially since he is physically bigger and stronger than the others. I can see the children struggling to work together in the face of impending doom. Perhaps they can teach their elders a lesson. Would you feel comfortable with this?

***********

Please excuse my recent scarcity. Every single member of my family is flying somewhere next week and they are all going in completely different directions. As a result, I am running in circles. I will be heading out to help my eldest get his stuff back home after the end of the school term.

Unless someone objects, I will put up a generic narrative post in the next day or so that will take us to nightfall. Then the three orcs are free to try and stage their break in and get trapped. That should get us to the point where we begin to have some action.

Firefoot · 05-04-2007, 03:25 PM

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Firefoot -- Grask would play a key role here, presumably as a "leader" or those who are trapped by the rising water, especially since he is physically bigger and stronger than the others. I can see the children struggling to work together in the face of impending doom. Perhaps they can teach their elders a lesson. Would you feel comfortable with this?

Quite comfortable. Sounds exciting!

I'm not sure how quickly all this is going to start moving, but just as a heads-up... I'm going to be out of town this weekend, and time is going to be tight over the next couple weeks (AP tests, for those of you who are familiar with them... not to mention other end-of-school banquets and such). I'll try to stay available, though!

Child of the 7th Age · 05-04-2007, 06:50 PM

Sounds good, Firefoot. Judging from past experience, we will continue moving forward but slowly, so hopefully that will work with your schedule. I'll work on that post this weekend to move time forward in the scout's camp.

Tevildo · 05-04-2007, 07:20 PM

I'd like to have Azhar be part of the group that gets stuck in the hole. Since she's just a teenager, I thought that would be alright. Perhaps she could come along to keep an eye on the younger human children (plus she is curious to meet Grask).

Nogrod · 05-04-2007, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Child of the 7th Age

I am assuming the orc attempt to rescue the prisoners would come at night. At that point, Gwerr and his two companions would be trapped in the tunnel and thrown in with the rest. The rest of the camp would arrive tomorrow game time. Then the "trial" would take place....

Are one of you Child or Regin going to write this unlucky operation of the three orcs rescue-party? I have to admit I don't have any idea of this "tunnnel" as to what it is and how the orcs would end up there...

Child of the 7th Age · 05-05-2007, 06:26 AM

I'll try to get us started after I get up that post shifting us to night. I'm never good at these kind of logistics but will do my best. I'll include some general narrative that will include our joint decision to try and rescue the others. Let me know if you're uncomfortable with anything I've said or implied for your character.

Hilde Bracegirdle · 05-05-2007, 06:29 AM

Yes, I have an abiding curiousity about the tunnel itself. This is not the same tunnel used to resue Azhar and Kwell, is it?

Also, I will be out of touch both Monday and Tuesday, as Mr. Bracegirdle is scheduled for surgery, first thing Monday morning.

Many thanks Child, for outlining what will be happening. It will undoubtably be a big help to me, for one!

Child of the 7th Age · 05-05-2007, 09:16 AM

Hilde,

Ah....

I hope the surgery goes well. I'll be thinking of you and your family.

************

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Yes, I have an abiding curiousity about the tunnel itself. This is not the same tunnel used to resue Azhar and Kwell, is it?

Gosh, I'm not sure. I guess we'll see when I write the post. I just wanted to get them "cornered" somewhere. A tunnel seemed possible. If not, then I'll try to think of something else. If anyone has any bright ideas on this, please post here. If not, Makdush will hopefully come up with something.

Hilde Bracegirdle · 05-05-2007, 03:00 PM

If it is does wind up being the same one, just remember that the lower end of it is filling up with water and the upper end is at least ankle deep. Don't know how orcs feel about washing their feet!

piosenniel · 05-06-2007, 03:30 PM

♥ Notice of New Game Opening ♥

Durelin and Firefoot are starting a game in the Shire.

Blood Run: A Terror Returns

If you are interested, please read the proposal – HERE.

The Discussion thread will open soon to take on players and to answer any questions.

See you there!

~*~ Pio

05-04-2007, 11:58 AM	#2
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Hilde and Durelin and everyone, I have been meaning to post my agreement on this for some time. I think it is a good idea, and we should run with it as a number of folk have posted positively. This is where I think we are from previous posts but please tell me if I'm wrong. I am assuming the orc attempt to rescue the prisoners would come at night. At that point, Gwerr and his two companions would be trapped in the tunnel and thrown in with the rest. The rest of the camp would arrive tomorrow game time. Then the "trial" would take place.....to execute the orcs or let them go. Letting them go would probably mean setting them in the middle of nowhere minus their weapons! I doubt we're talking about cooperation at this point. Grask's "attempt" to rescue the male orcs and the females' begging for mercy would be part of that trial. If someone wants to brandish a sword threateningly as part of all this, be my guest. The "young folk", both orc (one male, one female)and human, would be wandering off and get into trouble, but no one will know that. We've never set the female orc's age so we might want her to be younger than Grask. Meanwhile, the entire camp could be at each other's throats....definitely the fun part! Aiwendil would come stalking in and tell everyone about the giant trolls out there on the plain. Give this situation, Aiwendil will actually suggest the possibility of the two groups cooperating, but I have a feeling that he will be ignored or rudely shouted down in the tumult of the moment. In the midst of this mayhem we get the word of trouble in the pit, and everyone has to pitch in. Firefoot -- Grask would play a key role here, presumably as a "leader" or those who are trapped by the rising water, especially since he is physically bigger and stronger than the others. I can see the children struggling to work together in the face of impending doom. Perhaps they can teach their elders a lesson. Would you feel comfortable with this? *********** Please excuse my recent scarcity. Every single member of my family is flying somewhere next week and they are all going in completely different directions. As a result, I am running in circles. I will be heading out to help my eldest get his stuff back home after the end of the school term. Unless someone objects, I will put up a generic narrative post in the next day or so that will take us to nightfall. Then the three orcs are free to try and stage their break in and get trapped. That should get us to the point where we begin to have some action. __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote. Last edited by Child of the 7th Age; 05-04-2007 at 12:04 PM.

05-04-2007, 06:50 PM	#4
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Sounds good, Firefoot. Judging from past experience, we will continue moving forward but slowly, so hopefully that will work with your schedule. I'll work on that post this weekend to move time forward in the scout's camp. __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

05-04-2007, 07:20 PM	#5
Tevildo Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Curled up on Melko's lap Posts: 425	I'd like to have Azhar be part of the group that gets stuck in the hole. Since she's just a teenager, I thought that would be alright. Perhaps she could come along to keep an eye on the younger human children (plus she is curious to meet Grask). __________________ Now Tevildo was a mighty cat--the mightiest of all--and possessed of an evil spirit,...and he was in Melko's constant following; and that cat had all cats subject to him, and he and his subjects were the chasers and getters of meat for Melko's table.

05-05-2007, 06:26 AM	#7
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	I'll try to get us started after I get up that post shifting us to night. I'm never good at these kind of logistics but will do my best. I'll include some general narrative that will include our joint decision to try and rescue the others. Let me know if you're uncomfortable with anything I've said or implied for your character. __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

05-06-2007, 03:30 PM	#11
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	♥ Notice of New Game Opening ♥ Durelin and Firefoot are starting a game in the Shire. Blood Run: A Terror Returns If you are interested, please read the proposal – HERE. The Discussion thread will open soon to take on players and to answer any questions. See you there! ~*~ Pio __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

05-04-2007, 10:44 AM	#1
Hilde Bracegirdle Relic of Wandering Days Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: You'll See Perpetual Change. Posts: 1,480	I have been thinking again about the situation in this story, and can’t really see why they would keep the orcs imprisoned long term, unless they intended to use them as bargaining chips should a large group of orcs show up. I might be missing the obvious but wouldn’t they prove a far too dangerous liability on the road? I should think that the question of whether or not to kill them or set them free would linger on the edges of everyone’s mind. All choices would be unsatisfactory, of course. With a flood and the females’ pleas mercy, wouldn’t a large number of the captors start identifying with the group of orcs, especially when finding out they have a similar goal in mind and were similarly oppressed? Perhaps they would recall their own imprisonment and consider freeing the creatures…but when Aiwendil returns, the two groups might decide that there is safety in numbers and that should make some sort of non-aggression pact and travel together. They curiously have common enemies as well. But how does one learn to trust an orc? If of their own accord the orcs save Men or Children from the pit, how far does that go towards earning the Men’s trust? I should think it might go far enough. These are just some rambling thoughts on the matter

05-05-2007, 06:29 AM	#8
Hilde Bracegirdle Relic of Wandering Days Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: You'll See Perpetual Change. Posts: 1,480	Yes, I have an abiding curiousity about the tunnel itself. This is not the same tunnel used to resue Azhar and Kwell, is it? Also, I will be out of touch both Monday and Tuesday, as Mr. Bracegirdle is scheduled for surgery, first thing Monday morning. Many thanks Child, for outlining what will be happening. It will undoubtably be a big help to me, for one!

05-05-2007, 03:00 PM	#10
Hilde Bracegirdle Relic of Wandering Days Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: You'll See Perpetual Change. Posts: 1,480	If it is does wind up being the same one, just remember that the lower end of it is filling up with water and the upper end is at least ankle deep. Don't know how orcs feel about washing their feet!

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