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05-12-2007, 09:07 PM
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Shade of Carn Dûm
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My first guess was Thingol, but I don't have a real reason and it feels stupid.
I keep going back to the relationships between fathers, particularly because Elendil and Gil-Galad died in battle together. Perhaps something to do with Hurin, though I'm not sure what? But then Hurin outlived Turin... and Elendil died before Isildur. I also keep getting the images of the broken Anduril and Gurthang, though they were broken in different ways, and Gurthang was actually Turin's...
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05-13-2007, 01:55 AM
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
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Well, I might say you are, how should I say it, not knocking, but running around the right door
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05-18-2007, 11:01 AM
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Shade of Carn Dûm
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Okay, let's see if I'm barking up the wrong tree...
Isildur's father Elendil fought against Sauron (at Orodruin) with Gil-Galad. Meanwhile, Turin's father Hurin fought against Morgoth (at Thangorodrim) with Fingon. They were both crucial battles of their Age... but I'm not sure if Hurin -> Fingon is quite as strong of a tie as Gil-Galad -> Elendil.
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05-20-2007, 11:18 AM
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
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Too complicated.
So, the answer is no.
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05-28-2007, 07:14 AM
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Guard of the Citadel
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Maybe Beleg
Just as Elendil's (and then Isildur's) sword and Gil-galad's spear fought against Sauron, so did Turin's sword and Beleg's bow fight against Morgoth. The idea is that all 4 all well known weapons.
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05-28-2007, 11:05 AM
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
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Nope.
Let's make it easier by widening the range (hopefully): Isildur is to Gil-Galad and Elendil as Túrin is to _______ and ________
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05-29-2007, 05:13 AM
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Guard of the Citadel
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Well, I guess my idea about Isildur avenging Elendil and Gil-galad by cutting the Ring off Sauron's hand makes sense.
But Sauron was not killed, so I can't think of anyone Turin avenged without killing someone else.
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