WW XXXIII - Other Minds and Hands

[Rikae]

On Day 2 of filming, the mood among the cast and crew was grim. Suspicion was cast on almost everyone; but in the end, Saruman was the least trusted; and the Downers gathered round him where he stood on the studio roof, hatred and fear in their eyes.

“Will you have peace with me, and all the aid that my knowledge, founded in long years, can bring? Shall we make our councils together against evil days?” asked Legate, in a last desperate attempt to save himself.

“So would the trapped wolf speak to the hounds, if he could! What aid can he give you, forsooth? All he desires is to escape from his plight!” retorted Boromir.

But Saruman's voice worked its magic on the others. The mob suddenly turned on Boromir. Durelin doused him in gasoline and set him alight...

...Boromir turned and ran 1000 yards down the length of the studio roof, then turned and raced back again, by now completely clothed in flame. He turned a third time and sprinted back again, showing no signs of slowing. Some of the Downers could not refrain from cheering as he completed a final lap, and set the record for the first mile run in under three minutes while in flames. Finally, he plummeted off the end of the roof.

The Downers shuffled reluctantly to the edge and peered over...

....to find that Boromir88's charred and smoldering corpse was still quite human.

Day 2 is over. Everyone mourn in silence. Wolves may PM. Send your picks by an hour before deadline tomorrow, please.

The Cast and Crew

Pushing up daisies:

Rikae(Mod)–CG Animator, Rendered and Lighted on Night1
The Sixth Wizard(Ordo)–Protester against Dwarven Comic Relief, Buried in Skulls on Day1
Mithalwen(Ordo)–Galadriel, Illuminated...(Electrocuted) on Night2
Boromir88 (Ordo)-Denethor, Burnt alive on Day2

Not pushing up daises:

Volo - Gollum
Legate of Amon Lanc - Sound Master/Saruman
Macalaure - The 7th orc in the 3rd row
Shastanis Althreduin - Legolas' stunt double
Durelin - Special Effects Pyrotechnician
The Saucepan Man- Set Catering Manager
Xyzzy - Young Fanboy
Brinniel- Wacky Foley Artist
Thinlómien- Non-Winged Balrog
Anguirel- Celeborn
Kath - Make-up Artist
Gil-Galad - Zombie-Gil-Galad
Aganzir - Smeagol
Rune -Tolkien geek who is estatic about being an Elf extra
Diamond18 - Lady in charge of Wigs and all other False Hairpieces

[Rikae]

Durelin was out of fireworks for the party scene. In desperation, she broke into the local Pyrotechnics-R-Us after closing time and "borrowed" the requisite supplies. Sadly, she hadn't kept informed about the latest recalls...

...an hour later, the Downers were greeted by a spectacular sight.

"It's a bird!"

"It's a dragon!"

....Durelin circled over the heads of the prostrate cast and crew three times, then turned a somersault and burst over "Bywater" with a deafening explosion.

"That's the signal for supper!" quipped SPM.

Later that night, Lommy prepared to leaver for her night job. She put on her attractive ill-fitting polyester uniform, but left her knife in the trailer. Some other night perhaps she would use it, but tonight she would protect, not kill, one of her fellow downers. The security guard punched in and took up her post in front of one of the trailers...but ere long, she heard a rustling in the bushes behind her.

One balrog may be a match for four Peter Jackson style wargs, but one security guard isn't. While two held her down, the others stitched a pair of tattered batlike wings to her back. Ignoring her shrieks and curses, they dragged the newly winged Lommy to the cliff behind the studio and cast her over the edge.

The wings, though quite lovely, were not terribly effective.

When the 13 remaining members of the cast and crew discovered the wolves' handiwork in the morning, all of them wept openly...but five were gloating in their hearts.

Night 3 is over. Day 3 has begun! Wolves, stop PMing. Everybody talk.

Good luck!

The Cast and Crew

Bought a pine condo:

Rikae(Mod)–CG Animator, Rendered and Lighted on Night1
The Sixth Wizard(Ordo)–Protester against Dwarven Comic Relief, Buried in Skulls on Day1
Mithalwen(Ordo)–Galadriel, Illuminated...(Electrocuted) on Night2
Boromir88 (Ordo)-Denethor, Burnt alive on Day2
Durelin(Ordo)-Special Effects Pyrotechnician - Burst over Bywater on Night3
Thinlómien(Ranger/Assassin)- Non-Winged Balrog - Took a tumble off the cliff on Night3

Didn't:

Volo - Gollum
Legate of Amon Lanc - Sound Master/Saruman
Macalaure - The 7th orc in the 3rd row
Shastanis Althreduin - Legolas' stunt double
The Saucepan Man- Set Catering Manager
Xyzzy - Young Fanboy
Brinniel- Wacky Foley Artist
Anguirel- Celeborn
Kath - Make-up Artist
Gil-Galad - Zombie-Gil-Galad
Aganzir - Smeagol
Rune -Tolkien geek who is estatic about being an Elf extra
Diamond18 - Lady in charge of Wigs and all other False Hairpieces

[Volo]

Damn and double damn!

Sure looks bad. I hope we have a Seer or something, because we really need one!

Though I have some thoughts that are clear at this moment:

Shasta: ++Legate (Legate-1)
SpM: ++Legate (Legate-2)
Boro: ++Legate (Legate-3)
Lommy: ++xyzzy (Legate-3; xyzzy-1)
Volo: ++Boro (Legate-3; xyzzy-1; Boro-1)
Anguirel: ++Brinniel (Legate-3; xyzzy-1; Boro-1; Brinniel-1)
Rune: ++Mac (Legate-3; xyzzy-1; Boro-1; Brinniel-1; Mac-1)
Kath: ++Rune (Legate-3; xyzzy-1; Boro-1; Brinniel-1; Mac-1; Rune-1)
Legate: ++Boro (Legate-3; Boro-2; xyzzy-1; Brinniel-1; Mac-1; Rune-1)
Mac: ++Rune (Legate-3; Boro-2; Rune-2; xyzzy-1; Brinniel-1; Mac-1)
Aganzir: ++Boro (Legate-3; Boro-3; Rune-2; xyzzy-1; Brinniel-1; Mac-1)
Di: ++Boro (Boro-4; Legate-3; Rune-2; xyzzy-1; Brinniel-1; Mac-1)
Rune: --Mac; ++Boro (Boro-5; Legate-3; Rune-2; xyzzy-1; Brinniel-1)
Brinniel: ++Rune (Boro-5; Legate-3; Rune-3; xyzzy-1; Brinniel-1)

I now regret that I didn't have the guts to change my vote from Boro to Rune as I now pretty strongly suspect him.

If I'd have to toss a few names to call wolves, I'd toss Rune, Brinniel, Diamond and Shasta.

If I'd have to toss a few names to call innocent, I'd toss Legate, Aganzir, Anguirel and Gil-Galad.

Explaining: I found it strange that nobody used the chance to cause a double lynch, especially after I suggested it and the suspicions were so balanced. The wolves would have had much use of doing so, but they didn't. A reason could be a fellow wolf.

Of the two I'd go for Rune. And that brings a whole new figure into the field.

Brinniel's vote was a moderately safe vote for a friend. Looking at her earlier thoughts about Rune you'll probably see what I mean. I'm not 100% about this figure, but it looks the most probable.

The third one is harder, but I think it's Diamond. I've found her the suspiciously innocentish person here and her vote looks wierd. Though not wierd enough to say for sure. If she had suspected Rune she would have been far more suspicious with this figure. Because she just couldn't have voted Rune and caused a double lynch. And now that she didn't vote for Legate but even saved him, does speak for her. But I'm not lowering my guard!

The fourth one is pretty much a guess, but Shasta fits well into the overall figure with his vote for Legate.


I'm still thinking over and over.

Now to the innocent list:

Gil-Galad looks so much like the good ol' good Galad boy that I'm very sure that he's innocent.

I think I have misjudged Anguirel for now I see him innocent.

Just as Aganzir. I've gone through and decided I was much too rash there.

Legate's answer to my analysis of him pretty much convinced me of his innocense. I don't want to have him lynched!


:/

[Volo]

As we see from the narration, we have a cobbler or something nasty here. I'd put poor Mac into that part, again.

EDIT: Explaining:

Mac looks too confused for a wolf, but too confusing for the innocent Mac I know.

[The Saucepan Man]

Alas, it would appear that our Ranger/Assassin's apparent innocence was her downfall. I can’t see (and wouldn’t expect to see) any suggestion in her posts that she might be the Ranger, so I guess the Wolves just got lucky. She was unsuspected by most and her votes (for Sixth and Xyzzy) leave little trail. Other than these two, she outlined no firm suspicions, although she was slightly suspicious of Legate and Day 1 and Mac on Day 2.

It’s easy for me to say now, I suppose, but I cannot believe that you lot lynched Boro on such meagre evidence. He was, admittedly, acting slightly strange on Day 1, but he explained that and seemed far more engaged on Day 2.

Indeed, I cannot believe that you lot let that slippery fellow, Legate, escape from the noose. He is, in my view, clearly a Wolf. He looks to me to have spent a lot of time on Day 2 maneuvring Boro into the 'hot seat, in place of himself.

One more point worthy of note, from the narration:

When the 13 remaining members of the cast and crew discovered the wolves' handiwork in the morning, all of them wept openly...but five were gloating in their hearts.

Clearly, we do have a Cobbler or some such thing. The bad news (apart from the loss of our Ranger) is that the current ratio of innocents to baddies is less that 3:1. The good news is that we are more likely to lynch a baddie toDay.

I'm off to look at the Day 2 votes.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Volo

I now regret that I didn't have the guts to change my vote from Boro to Rune as I now pretty strongly suspect him.

In my view, the Wolves were voting to save their comrade, Legate, yesterDay. However, I am prepared to consider that they might have been voting to save both Legate and Rune, as I have conisdered Rune to be suspicious. Looking at the votes in this way might well make for an interesting analysis.

Legate answer to my analysis of him pretty much convinced me of his innocense. I don't want to have him lynched!

You, Volo, were I think the first to put forward Boro as a possible candidate yesterDay, but it was Legate who did much of the running. Can you be sure that your analysis was not being used by a Wolf here to malign ends?

[Volo]

Well, having read his posts I am pretty sure he is innocent. Compare this Legate with the wolf Legate in the prevous games...

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Hey guys! I'm feeling a lot better now. My high school graduation is tonight (thank goodness I'm feeling better just in time!), so hopefully this will be my last night of minimal activity, unless I relapse. Which would suck. Majorly.

Now, to go and reread the whole entire thread. ._.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Volo

Well, having read his posts I am pretty sure he is innocent. Compare this Legate with the wolf Legate in the prevous games...

I have, since I am very familiar with a Wolfish Legate.

I agree that he is far more aggressive now than when he has previously been a Wolf. However, I am pretty sure that this is down to two things. First off, he has been under a fair amount of scrutiny in this game, almost from the off. Secondly, I would not expect him to act the same way now as a Wolf as he has in the past. Indeed, given that there are a number here who have experience of a Wolfish Legate, I would expect him to act quite differently.

However, if I was not convinced by his behaviour before, I am now from the way in which he took such a dominant role in condemning an innocent Boro. He even, at one point, said something like "Either Boro is a Wolf or SpM is". A classic Wolfish ploy directed towards getting two innocents killed in succession. I have used it mysef on a number of occasions.

[Volo]

I'd say that this is the usual two big innocents killing each other, SPM. He's not going to be online toDay, BTW if you forgot.

[Aganzir]

There are 13 alive.
4 are wolves.
1 is a cobbler or something alike.
1 is Volo.
If we assume there's a Seer and a Hunter and that no one is lying (and that there are no more special things), this would leave 5 ordos. But we can't be sure, and everybody didn't even vote.
If we have a Seer, s/he would have had only two dreams by now. That's not for much help, I'm afraid.

I think Spm's point about Legate is good, but I'm a little taken aback by his certainty. Thoug if he's a wolf and having such a strong case against an innocent, I would think it astonishing.

We had better catch a wolf toDay, and if anyone had any idea who might be wolves, it'd be great, because I just don't suspect anyone enough myself to vote for him/her with certainty or even a strong feeling that I'm killing a wolf. That was to say I can vote for Legate if anyone won't pop up as a more likely wolf.

Originally Posted by Spm

So, assuming that there were two Wolves among the Legate voters, then I consider one of Rune, Aganzir and Diamond to be a Wolf.

Was that a confession?

[Volo]

++Rune Son of Bjarne!

I bet with my life () that Legate is innocent.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Okay, scanned the thread.

The current vote struggle seems to be between Rune and Legate.

My quick Day 2 vote for Legate was just a placeholder; I thought that voting was what kept you from being modkilled, not simply posting. Apologies, Saruman! Don't blast me, okay?

Volo has basically solidified a connection between himself and Legate, so it's pretty safe to say that their alignments are the same. If Volo is telling the truth about his role (which I have no reason not to believe at this point in time), then it would follow that Legate is also on the side of the innocents.

One or two of Rune's posts put my hackles up, but I'm not sure where they were.... I'll have to go back and check.

++Rune, and I'll retract later if it's needed for any reason.

I was also going to mention the evidence of a second watcher in the Night 2 plot, but I see Aganzir already has... Might there be a tracker of some sort? For those who don't know, a tracker-type role watches one person during the night to see whether or not they target someone, and if they do target someone, who they targeted.

Example: I'm the tracker. Aganzir is... say... the Seer. I decide to track Aganzir during the night. Aganzir decides to dream of Volo. I would then receive a list back stating that Aganzir targeted Volo during the night, but I wouldn't be able to see what the results of that targeting were.

Okay, enough rambling, I need a throat lozenge. I also need to practice my backflips, as I'm behind on them, and Orlando "Pretty-Boy" Bloom told his agent not to schedule any gymnastic stunts, so of course I'm stuck doing them.

Edit: X'ed with Volo's last post. Hi again, Volo!

Edit: Okay, I found one of them; Rune's 'safe' vote for Mac yesterday. Moving on.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I think Spm's point about Legate is good, but I'm a little taken aback by his certainty. Thoug if he's a wolf and having such a strong case against an innocent, I would think it astonishing.

What point?

He looks to me to have spent a lot of time on Day 2 maneuvring Boro into the 'hot seat, in place of himself.

(to SPM about Legate)

I might trust him because his reactions have been very similar to my own. If I were Wolf, I might have suspected him of being Wolf (if that was possible).

You might not see at what I'm leaning because
1. You didn't agree with my (and his) opinions about Boro being extremely suspicious.

2. This answer to this. It does solve many of the suspicions cast at him. No, it really does!


EDIT: NO cross-posts!

Am I the only one alive here? This immortality isn't so nice after all... Gollum, gollum.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Volo

What point?

I meant that I found his ways of thinking good in the post where he brought up arguments against Legate. I should have said it clearlier, sorry.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Might there be a tracker of some sort? For those who don't know, a tracker-type role watches one person during the night to see whether or not they target someone, and if they do target someone, who they targeted.

There might, but I think it's more probable that it was about the Ranger and the Wolves or about the Ranger and the Hunter (if there's one) or something...

edit: I meant this post.

[Kath]

Don't think I'll have time to post much tonight but should be able to get on for a bit longer tomorrow (RL). But just a couple of points from reading through so far.

Firstly, how in the heck did Boro get lynched? I'm not usually one for looking at voting records but if there wasn't a wolf egging that little bandwagon on I would be extremely surprised. I'll definitely take a look at that when I get back.

Second is this by, erm, Shasta:

Volo has basically solidified a connection between himself and Legate, so it's pretty safe to say that their alignments are the same. If Volo is telling the truth about his role (which I have no reason not to believe at this point in time), then it would follow that Legate is also on the side of the innocents.

Eh? Just because Volo is a known innocent doesn't mean that those he believes to be innocent are. Even if Legate is Gifted it would seem unlikely that Volo would know that unless the two could communicate, which I doubt. Legate cannot be exonerated just because Volo says so.

I've nothing much else to say right now, except that I still believe Rune is extremely suspicious. I'm not convinced of the innocence of Legate either but Rune is higher on my radar than he is. I'm having trouble finding other suspects though. With that comment about Legate being innocent because Volo says so Shasta has moved into the guilty list because it feels like an attempt to clear a fellow wolf. I also have a sinking feeling that Sauce is playing us all for fools again, as he's pretty much escaping suspicion at the moment, or at least he's not in any real danger. But that's just my 'uh oh Sauce is still alive after two Days, he must be evil!' alarm going off so I'll ignore that for now.

Anyway I shall stop rambling now. I'll be around for a little longer but I have to get to bed early tonight (horrible early morning exercising, bah).