Werewolf Four and Thirty: Bloodbath in the Anduin Vale

[The Saucepan Man]

Congratulations to Meneltarmacil, Nogrod and The Sixth Wizard, collectively known as the Black Fang Gang (though even they didn't know that).

Commiserations to the others.

Please use this thread, rather than the Admin thread, for all post-game discussion, so as to keep it all in one place.

Any further comment from me will have to wait, as I must get back to work and all my notes are on my PC at home anyway. But I'll be happy to answer any questions (and I am sure that there are some ) later.

[Volo]

I'll reveal what I learnt from Aganzir after being lynched:

The Lady team's (Aganzir, Izzie, Mith) kills were Rune, Rikae and tgwbs.
The Gentleman team's (Menel, Nogrod, Sixth) kills were Durelin, Legate, Fea, Aganzir (who was also killed by Boro during the same Night) and Boro.

The two teams couldn't have a united victory (right?).

And that makes me wander about the kills chosen... I mean Rikae and Legate go wrong way round.

Do tell us what you thought, dear Wolves.

And what are the thief and priestess anyway??

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

WOW! Now that was great!

I must say, this is the first game which, even though I died early on, I just couldn't stop reading. Once again congrats to the victorious wolves' team (especially Six, who was probably the only one of the wolves whom I haven't suspected even at the time when I was still alive!). Thanks to sir Esspiem for the possibility of playing this game, and thanks to all you fellow players who made this game interesting for me, even though I didn't live too long. I am really ashamed that I didn't help more to the innocents

If anyone is interested in my dreams, though, my first Day's dream was indeed Rikae, and I chose her because there was a big question mark hanging above her in my view, and I was fairly suspicious about Isabell and Nogrod, but I knew people were looking at them and I thought that matters may turn against them the next Day, in which case I'd not hesitate to vote them, even if they turned out to be innocent. So I chose to probe the "unknown waters" instead of checking my suspects who could end dead whether I wanted it or not, and tried Rikae, who came out as innocent.
The other Night, my last dream which you didn't even know of, was tgwbs. The same reasons as Rikae, now also with the fact in mind that I wanted to choose a person who is not likely to be targeted by the Wolves not the Bear (or a good Assassin, with the information I had back then), so Nogrod and Isabell were definitely not worth it. The other person I pondered was Boro, but I was fairly sure that he is innocent, so I didn't want to waste my dream and rather probe someone I had no clue of. Point of this game? I must learn somewhere to trust myself more and not to abandon my original ideas, because they mainly turn out to be true. The people I thought wolfy were as I said Isabell and Nogrod, and in the "second line" (meaning if the first two were elliminated, I'd focus on these) were Mith and Aganzir. You can imagine how I looked when I read the narrations.

So in the end, some things are finally answered - so it means that every wolf team had its own kill at night, and when last of the one team died, there was just kill from Nogrod&Six, right? In this case, I'd like to ask now which team had the idea to kill me and why they did it. (because I was too seemingly innocent to everyone?)
The teams also didn't know of each other's existence until a wolf from the other team died, right?

And while I'm at the question, what the heck Thief's mission/abilities were? Though she didn't live much long, from the end note it looks like she's been there for herself. Was her goal just to survive or something else? Durelin?

All in all - considering the game itself, from my point of view one of the most interesting games I saw, and I really pity not staying alive for longer. Technically, very well done game, despite the massive number of wolves, because it was I think well designed - after all, this was called a "bloodbath" (and indeed it was!), but in total it was well balanced (the sign be for example that there was only one wolf in the end).

EDIT: x-ed with Volo&Morm. A-ha! So it was you guys who killed me. What was the reason, then?

[Rikae]

Fantastic narrations, Sauce! One rep just isn't enough...

Well, I must say, I'VE never spotted evil so well - but then, there was a lot of it here....I know Kath, Aganzir and Izzy were up to no good. If only I could have lived a little longer...curses!

As for Boro...well, I guess you're right...and I guess we're even now.
Although I think I have to point out at this juncture that Boro was not actually MY suspect. I was - I hope this isn't against the rules...consulting someone who I consider one of the finest wolf-hunters around. He suspected Boro and Mith, and I, like a fool, went after Boro out of the two...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I know Kath, Aganzir and Izzy were up to no good.

But at least I didn't lie about why the analysis of what happened on Night 1 was so bad. I was confused because I had no idea why there were three kills, as I thought Menel's death had something to do with Durelin's role.

Congratulations for the winners! (except Nogrod, who is very mean )

I knew trying to kill Boro was a bad idea. I knew it. But I was doing what I thought was the best to do. With Mith dead I was alone, while I knew there were still two others, and I thought that if I wanted to have any chance to win, I had to unite with the other team. We had thought it might happen if we all killed the same person, so I had to try. It made me feel bad about it when Boro said he couldn't protect himself, but I expected that either he actually could protect himself or was some kind of a hunter - I never thought he could still survive after killing a wolf.

Spm, why did the Priestess lose, too? Or was she only on our side?

Now I think I could go through our wolfish pm's, and choose some nice things we could share with you.

[Aganzir]

I have nothing left from Night 1, so if there's something worth sharing Izzie or Mith might post it?

Night 2

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Ok, I checked Boro and Rikae and feel now quite strongly that Rikae is a baddie of some kind.
Boro looks much more innocent, but it seems to me that he's also deliberately sending out gifted vibes. As if he wanted to get killed during the Night (or tried to ensure that the Assassin, if there is one, would not go after him. So a wolf perhaps? We must keep in mind that the other pack probably didn't know about us before the last narration).

See, Boro? We caught you.
We killed Rikae because we thought then it might be possible to find the other wolves if we tried to kill one of them. Afterwards, I found it very funny when I found the quote from Legate that seemed to say that he had dreamt of Rikae.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

This far Rikae feels like good enough a choice, though. I guess Boro might be protected toNight.

And so he was. I'm happy we chose Rikae.

Originally Posted by Isabell

Nogrod kind of strikes me as someone who wants to be vocal; yet not take any large notice from either side (good & bad).

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Another thing maybe worth mentioning, maybe not: when Nogrod speaks about me he sounds like the last game's Sauce-cobbler who thought I was a wolf.

Nogrod really was one of our main topics.

Night 3

Originally Posted by Aganzir

YesterDay I was so certain Nogrod was a wolf. This is frustrating.

We killed tgwbs because I had a feeling he was a gifted. It was really annoying, as there was no reason for me to feel like it, but I couldn't get rid of the feeling.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

But well, yesterDay I thought Nogrod was a wolf, and to me it seemed that he suspected you just because he thought you had been very innocentish but then done something that might be considered slightly suspicious.

We had decided that if Mith didn't think she could survive the Day, she would confess and do her best to make both teams kill the same person.

Oh, and Night 1. Rune was killed because he didn't leave many tracks. We had first thought about killing Volo, Lommy or Legate (we considered Legate also on Night 2, if I remember correctly), and I chose Rune a few minutes before we had to send the kill, as Mith and Izzie had already left.

edit: I removed Mith's PMs by her request. My apologies to her - I should have asked before posting them.

[Kath]

I only won if the two teams of wolves had equal numbers, and when the number of wolves equalled the number of villagers. It would have been tough to win even if I hadn't been lynched so early!

[Thinlómien]

Well, what can I say?

My apologies to Boro for a rather...um... fierce attack. (Actually, when I reread your posts you seemed very genuine actually, but I chose reason over feeling and stuck with my theory. I was also afraid of making a 180 degree turn in my opinions, because I thought that would just get me, an innocent, lynched in a critical point. And see what happened... )

But I blame Sauce for making a game that just doesn't fit with my logic!

Anyway, the game was absolutely fabulous, especially the narrations. Hats off to Sauce!

Werewolf is sure a game that teaches one humbleness. I mean, I just had the feeling I was handling the game and thought that maybe now I'm beginning to be quite good in this game, and then I find out I was grievously mistaken about the roles and about Nogrod and Aganzir...

And it seems I really do have some weird ignore-function. I mean, I spotted Mith, Izzie and Sixth, all of them (to some extent). But the ones to slip under my radar were Nogrod and Aganzir, my father and one of my best RL-friends... Quite annoying. Should I not know them well enough to tell if they're innocent? Weird. Anyway, Noggie, Agan and Volo, prepare for being subjects to extra vigilance from this direction in future games!

This was a great game, kudos to everybody, especially the sneaky wolves of both teams! You did a good job!

[the guy who be short]

I want to know the Priestess' role too.

And did the wolves not know who were in the other teams? I thought I was killed for finding Izzie and Sixth, but apparently not.

And Sixth - I knew it!


Very exciting game.

[Nogrod]

Wolf answers.

In the beginning we were as lost to the roles there were in this game as everyone else. We three only knew each other. But as one of the three wolves I was pretty sure that there were other baddie(s) around for the game would have been highly unbalanced against us if we were the only baddies.

When Isabell turned out a dead wolf I was pretty sure there was a same-sized competing team of wolves around. You can guess how happy I was when people seemed to generally think that 5 would be maximum... I had no wish to disagree with that.

After Isabell's death catching the other team became the top priority to us.


About the kills of the Black Fang Gang esq..

Night1 - Durelin: we had to arouse some general bafflement and leave no tracks as Menel was suspected so heavily. Also her strange action might be a cover for a role of any sort - and anyhow she could be a real smart player when she actually would start to engage.

Night2 - Legate: of this I'd love to gloat just a little.

Originally Posted by Nogrod to Spm

Please do delete the delegate De Legate.
++ Legate of Amon Lanc
I was first quite ready to take on the challenge and kill Mith. That would have been a set up by the wolves of course...
But I just realised that Legate is a gifted and that did it.

Legate was too uncontroversial, too eager not to make anyone feel uncomfortable with him (like he expressed some suspicions on me earlier but then came to pull back from them) and after reading his posts through I noted that he hadn't actually suspected anyone, at least of the more vocal persons - so just too safe and nice, seerish I thought to myself indeed.

Night3 - Fea: the one I'm a bit embarrassed about. After getting Legate so nicely I kind of overtrusted my instincts and actually believed she was one of the other gang's members and how wrong I was!

Originally Posted by Nogrod to the Sixth

So I think we should get the rival wolves now. Aganzir and Fea have been very careful and one of them might be a wolf.

Night4 - Aganzir: I must admit that by the time I was more worried about the fact that no one seemed to be suspecting Aganzir and as the number of players decreased with speed she was the perfect kill for us. There sure was my earlier suspicion of her being a careful wolf as well but only as the second reason by that time. Sixth would have wanted to kill Boro off that Night but I refused it.

Originally Posted by Nogrod to the Sixht

First of all the other wolf (Mith's and Isabell's mate) should be going after him as well toNight and if we both wolf-parties go after him we waste one kill.
Secondly Boro said he won't be able to protect himself which feels to me that he can. It's not common but possible that a ranger-type fellow is allowed to defend himself. In that scenario we might hurt ourselves so let the other wolf try him out. Normally these kind of special people can't do the same thing twice in a row so he could be killed the next Night without danger.

The Sixth must tell about Night5 as I was in our summer cottage and the decision was all his.


Wonderful stuff everyone! I really enjoyed this game!!!


PS.

Originally Posted by Nogrod to the Sixth on Night2 in a list of possible targets...

Boro could be the bear-guy. And I might be willing to go after him toNight.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

*clop clop clop*

Good job, wolves.

What about my vote seemed wolvish enough to kill me, Boro? o.o?

[Nogrod]

Just a few special thanks to make a few extraordinary performances more visible.

Spm - Absolutely faboulous narrations! And I do agree with Legate that the game was actually quite nicely balanced. Well done indeed! Thank's for the experience!

Boro - I didn't fall into your trap the first time but you still got me in the end. This was quite epic indeed! Hats off to you! You played marvellously getting level with Ang the assassin and that's no minor feat indeed.

Aganzir - You hid masterly as a wolf, being involved and appearing very useful to the villagers and ducking all the suspicions. Absolutely great play!

Mith - I just haven't seen a performance like that ever in my ww-life! You were absolutely great and at one moment I actually feared you got me nailed with that Menel-vote stuff. And to read your posting after the confession was the best entertainment. Luv'ya!

Volo - You are getting better all the time! You had such a good instincts all the time as I think you pinned us down on Day2 or something already. Happily you were not sure enough...

Morm - Thanks!
But yes you played well after you got your engine running and that last vote was just a mistake that would happen to anyone so don't take it too hard on yourself.

Lommy - So fun to play with you as you seem to have inherited some of my quick twists and turns in your way of thinking... although I'm not sure if they are the best characteristics in ww-games. But had you been one of the competing team I would have never been able to tell it...

Rikae & tgwbs - It's always good to have you around and thanks for the clear statement of werewolfing principles! I agree wholeheartedly with you. It's sad you were killed so early by our rivals.


Mates:

Menel - Even though your game was a short one again it contributed to our victory quite a lot! At one moment in the end of Day1 I wasn't sure I believed my eyes as it looked like I was the one to kill you as my wolfmate on Day1 yet again!!!

Sixht - Last but not the least. I would have been running after you like a madman if I had been innocent as I'm not too fond of the playing style you represent. But you did just wonderful job with that!!! And in this game I had nothing against it. On the contrary! Superb performance and when left alone in the end you proved wicked and crafty! Hats off to you as well!

And everyone else was great as well! Now I just need to leave the PC for a while.

[Meneltarmacil]

Wow, I'd mentioned the possibility of two teams of wolves to my comrades, but I was surprised to see it actually happening.

And I'm kind of a Fenris Wolf again, as usual.

EDIT: This is my 1800th post!