WWXXXV: Werewolves among the Wolf-men - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Mithalwen · 07-03-2007, 10:32 AM

Mithalwen said " I must make a confession, I did not hear Legate's words before I spoke about our protector ... having little time I caught only that noone had died not the clues... and if I am cautious about making accusations well time is a factor but not the only consideration. I finish work now and shortly should be able to discuss with you to the end. I beg you not to follow Guy's example.... he may be misguided but as soon as I can I will review his speech and see if it is wolvish rather. I suspected him on before but foolishly was swayed to Xyzzy."

Rikae · 07-03-2007, 10:43 AM

"I fear the sleepiness which afflicts this village will soon overcome me, and I may not wake in time to vote later, so I think I should do so now. In any event, I am fairly confident of this vote."
Rikae stood, and wrote with her staff in the dust:
"++ Isabellkya"

Macalaure · 07-03-2007, 10:46 AM

"I'm still thinking about the missed kill from two nights ago.

Everybody here would claim of himself that it would never have happened to him (except Gil, who has been away, and Isabell, who missed the whole first day) and it would be believable. But those who know a bit of the ways of our Black Foe know that he will probably not send out two wolves about both of which he would have to fear such a thing. This is very unlikely. I therefore cannot believe that these two are our two wolves.

On the other hand, it is also unlikely that both do not come from this small set of outlaws, because it is unbelievable that two of those would have made such a mistake. I conclude that exactly one out of Gil and Izzy is a wolf, and one out of the rest, where by rest I mean especially Guy and Lhuna, though I'm not yet completely disregarding Rikae and Brinn (and Mith)."

(crossed with Rikae)

Isabellkya · 07-03-2007, 11:37 AM

Izzy continued to listen to the speeches and discussion amongst the others. She periodically gazed over to see when they were finished, as to allow her to get a word in edgewise.

'Each day I hear Rikae, adds on to the unease which I feel. Her actions remind me of the wolf ancestors among us, when they would pick out parts of speeches which would benefit them the most; and use those to scapegoat another villager. Lhuna and Brinniel bring unease to me as well for similar reasons.'

'Gil is unsettling to me, in regards to his speeches today. They contain more dramatics than actual content which we can use in our discussion.'

'Lhuna, has gone farther up on my suspect list, with the appearance of her anger driven defensiveness.'

'I no longer feel uneasy about Guy; if he were a wolf, he would no doubtedly be scapegoating as well.'

'I must leave you now, as it is becoming harder to keep my eyes open.'

++Rikae

'For reasons spoken earlier, I must go with my gut feeling. I know that one of you has mentioned that I was only suspicious of her for retaliation purposes only. Yet I must remind you, that I am not as blind as others here.'

When the last of her words were spoken, Izzy stood from where she had been sitting, and headed over to her bed. She laid down and was quickly asleep.

Brinniel · 07-03-2007, 12:54 PM

Brinn had been awake for awhile, listening to others and thinking deeply about what they had to say.

"Okay, it seems the majority of us (me, Mac, Rikae, tgwbs, Lhuna) are fairly sure there's at least one wolf among Izzy and Gil. I suggest we lynch one of them toDay, and hopefully we will have picked the right one.

"It's the best solution in my opinion. And I agree with Mac...it is more likely the wolves are one quiet, one active. But honestly, I have no idea on who to look at among our louder outlaws. Innocent or wolf (hopefully the latter), by eliminating one of these two, we should have a much better clue on who to suspect come toMorrow."

Macalaure · 07-03-2007, 01:02 PM

"Being sure that there is one wolf among Guy and Lhuna and one among Gil and Izzy, I went to look for possible connections between the four possible pairings. Here are my findings.

Lhuna and Gil

Very little to say. Lhuna says Gil is as usual on Day One, she attacks him in his absence on Day Two. Today she said: "I advise you not to be too jumpy, though, or I for one might forgo my previous assumption and contemplate on having you lynched."

This is nothing

Lhuna and Izzy

Not much more than before. On Day Two, Lhuna said that Izzy was more substantial than Brinn (no offense, but: eh?). One Day Three, Izzy takes a point from Lhuna that there are probably no wolves among the silent ones. Today Lhuna said that Izzy's behaviour was definitely suspicious and then Izzy made Lhuna rise on her suspicioun list

This is nothing, too.

Guy and Gil

Almost nothing at all. Yesterday Guy said that the absent Gil might be Nogrod's ally and today Gil is second on his list.

I highly doubt this is something.

Guy and Izzy

On Day One, Guy doesn't mention Izzy, which is interesting, because of his vote for xyzzy. The next Day Guy calls her likely innocent (while continuing to pursue xyzzy) and takes up a point of hers to accuse Nogrod (the self-preservation). He is happy Izzy contributes now, but doesn't look at what she contributes critically. He defends Izzy from Rikae and suspects Rikae for her accusation. My favourite (because very telling) line of Guy (towards Izzy): "Speak more, dear, or you'll be lynched by the likes of Rikae." Izzy says that Guy worries her a bit, but there's nothing substantial. Later, Guy is among her vote candidates, but then she voices a kind of understanding for Guy's situation and votes Nogrod. Guy says that her vote points towards her innocence. Today, Guy said that he doesn't understand the suspicion about Izzy's vote and that it isn't automatically suspicious just because Nogrod said so. He concedes that there is a wolf among the quiet ones, but Izzy is only the third on his list.

Izzy's behaviour towards Guy is very fishy. Guy doesn't look at her critically even one time, instead he defends her more than once."

Macalaure stood up and pointed at Guy and Izzy with his open hand.

"Outlaws and outlawesses, I don't think I'm being too bold when I say:

Here are your wolves!"

Mithalwen · 07-03-2007, 01:20 PM

"That seems plausible. Issy seems to suggest she is gifted ...... but I can't say I have seen any evidence in her words before...." said Mithalwen...

Macalaure · 07-03-2007, 01:42 PM

"The night is drawing near, but nobody is saying anything." Macalaure observed sadly.

"Well, I shall give you my vote now anyway:

++Isabellkya,

since she seems more likely to receive the majority today. If she is evil, I strongly think Guy shall be lynched tomorrow. If I shall be killed tonight, you now know what I would advice you to do tomorrow.

However, I have some... slight... vaaague... feeling that Guy, if he is a wolf, might decide it to be favourable not to attack me tonight."

With these words, Macalaure laid himself to sleep - with a smile on his face.

(crossed with Brinn)

Lhunardawen · 07-03-2007, 01:45 PM

For the second time that Day, Lhuna awoke with a jerk.

"My apologies! I fell asleep, and I know I shouldn't have."

She looked around at the other Outlaws; some of them too had fallen asleep. But they had already cast their votes.

"Before my accidental slumber, I had expressed suspicion of Izzy, Rikae, and Mith, from which I believe come our two wolves.

"Izzy remains highly suspect. I know I probably can't blame her, but at these crucial Days one would expect to hear more from her, if not in number of speeches then at least in substance.

"Rikae now seems much more innocent, and not just because she and Izzy cannot be wolves together. Like Days before she again exudes a confidence in speaking her mind because she has nothing to lose, it seems. But your point about me concerning Izzy is ridiculous. There are some things over which the hand has no control.

"Mith is suspicious, but maybe for things she cannot control. I can certainly forgo having her lynched, but with the hope that in the coming Days she'll say more. I also need to start looking towards other possible wolves who might be hiding in innocent-ish words...Mac stands out for example.

Unfortunately, there is now no time for that."

++ISABELLKYA

Mithalwen · 07-03-2007, 01:50 PM

"I am not a wolf". said Mithalwen " Look elsewhere. I feel uneasy about TGWBS, fairly confident of Mac. Izzy and Gil... Gil.. the loquacity is disarming - trying ot make up for lost time..... would an ordinary Gil bother ....? And now so little time.. I think though if Izzy were gifted she might have spoken openly trusting that she could be protected as well as saving her neck"

Brinniel · 07-03-2007, 01:39 PM

"An interesting theory, Mac. I suspected tgwbs for sometime, and now I've been second guessing myself. I don't know. Perhaps I should reconsider and take a closer look at him.

But we can only lynch one at a time, so I think we should still focus on Gil and Izzy toDay. Here's an analysis on each one:

"For Gil:

"His first post on Day 1 is nothing but jokes and name calling. And that is followed by more joking and bantering with Shasta. His last post is the only one with content. He thinks tgwbs's vote strange (I agree), defends himself from my statements, and then votes Shasta saying, 'rest in peace my lad, though for the first couple of days, many innocents will probably be lost' He doesn't speak again until toDay.

"ToDay he stars off claiming Shasta to be on the wolves' side and accuses me of suspecting him. He votes for me. His second statement he warns me I'll be proven guilty when he's proven innocent. Accuses me of pulling a 'crusade' against him. Says he'll hope for my survival and back off him I no longer suspect him.

"For Izzy:

"On Day 1, she speaks after the deadline...her post has no content.

"On the second Day, she's thankful that there was no kill, then questions the intentions of Beleg and Turin. In her last comments, she defends her vegetarianism, but doesn't give any suspects. Doesn't vote.

"Day 3, she is once again happy to see everyone still alive. She suspects Rikae for suspecting her and a vote switch. She suspect Nogrod of jumpiness and is worried about tgwbs. She doesn't think the wolves are among the silent and then accuses Mac of being silent. Later, she's worried about Nogrod, tgwbs, and Rikae and notes that Rikae and Nogrod ignore each other. Finds Nogrod and tgwbs's debate 'eyebrow raising.' Votes Nogrod.

"ToDay, she again is thankful for a no-kill, her first post has no content. Then she suspects Rikae for her words and also based off gut feeling. Is uneasy of me and Lhuna. She doesn't like Gil's speeches and is no longer suspicious of tgwbs. Votes Rikae."

Brinniel · 07-03-2007, 01:46 PM

"Okay, both of our silents are looking pretty suspicious. I would say Gil is almost furry, but I recall that he has seemed quite outrageous and suspicious in the past and turned out innocent.

"Izzy is looking more and more suspicious to me. Her words have little content and seem forced, and I don't think her votes have very good reasoning behind them. I also think Mac has a very plausible theory with some good evidence. If she is a wolf, we need to take a good look at tgwbs toMorrow.

++Izzy

"And if she is not a wolf, then Gil-Galad must be. I will not believe for a second that neither of our quiets are guilty."

EDIT: X-ed with Mac and Lhuna

07-03-2007, 11:37 AM	#4
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	Izzy continued to listen to the speeches and discussion amongst the others. She periodically gazed over to see when they were finished, as to allow her to get a word in edgewise. 'Each day I hear Rikae, adds on to the unease which I feel. Her actions remind me of the wolf ancestors among us, when they would pick out parts of speeches which would benefit them the most; and use those to scapegoat another villager. Lhuna and Brinniel bring unease to me as well for similar reasons.' 'Gil is unsettling to me, in regards to his speeches today. They contain more dramatics than actual content which we can use in our discussion.' 'Lhuna, has gone farther up on my suspect list, with the appearance of her anger driven defensiveness.' 'I no longer feel uneasy about Guy; if he were a wolf, he would no doubtedly be scapegoating as well.' 'I must leave you now, as it is becoming harder to keep my eyes open.' ++Rikae 'For reasons spoken earlier, I must go with my gut feeling. I know that one of you has mentioned that I was only suspicious of her for retaliation purposes only. Yet I must remind you, that I am not as blind as others here.' When the last of her words were spoken, Izzy stood from where she had been sitting, and headed over to her bed. She laid down and was quickly asleep. __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

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07-03-2007, 10:32 AM	#1
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,463	Mithalwen said " I must make a confession, I did not hear Legate's words before I spoke about our protector ... having little time I caught only that noone had died not the clues... and if I am cautious about making accusations well time is a factor but not the only consideration. I finish work now and shortly should be able to discuss with you to the end. I beg you not to follow Guy's example.... he may be misguided but as soon as I can I will review his speech and see if it is wolvish rather. I suspected him on before but foolishly was swayed to Xyzzy."

07-03-2007, 10:43 AM	#2
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	"I fear the sleepiness which afflicts this village will soon overcome me, and I may not wake in time to vote later, so I think I should do so now. In any event, I am fairly confident of this vote." Rikae stood, and wrote with her staff in the dust: "++ Isabellkya"

07-03-2007, 10:46 AM	#3
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	"I'm still thinking about the missed kill from two nights ago. Everybody here would claim of himself that it would never have happened to him (except Gil, who has been away, and Isabell, who missed the whole first day) and it would be believable. But those who know a bit of the ways of our Black Foe know that he will probably not send out two wolves about both of which he would have to fear such a thing. This is very unlikely. I therefore cannot believe that these two are our two wolves. On the other hand, it is also unlikely that both do not come from this small set of outlaws, because it is unbelievable that two of those would have made such a mistake. I conclude that exactly one out of Gil and Izzy is a wolf, and one out of the rest, where by rest I mean especially Guy and Lhuna, though I'm not yet completely disregarding Rikae and Brinn (and Mith)." (crossed with Rikae)

07-03-2007, 12:54 PM	#5
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Brinn had been awake for awhile, listening to others and thinking deeply about what they had to say. "Okay, it seems the majority of us (me, Mac, Rikae, tgwbs, Lhuna) are fairly sure there's at least one wolf among Izzy and Gil. I suggest we lynch one of them toDay, and hopefully we will have picked the right one. "It's the best solution in my opinion. And I agree with Mac...it is more likely the wolves are one quiet, one active. But honestly, I have no idea on who to look at among our louder outlaws. Innocent or wolf (hopefully the latter), by eliminating one of these two, we should have a much better clue on who to suspect come toMorrow."

07-03-2007, 01:02 PM	#6
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	"Being sure that there is one wolf among Guy and Lhuna and one among Gil and Izzy, I went to look for possible connections between the four possible pairings. Here are my findings. Lhuna and Gil Very little to say. Lhuna says Gil is as usual on Day One, she attacks him in his absence on Day Two. Today she said: "I advise you not to be too jumpy, though, or I for one might forgo my previous assumption and contemplate on having you lynched." This is nothing Lhuna and Izzy Not much more than before. On Day Two, Lhuna said that Izzy was more substantial than Brinn (no offense, but: eh?). One Day Three, Izzy takes a point from Lhuna that there are probably no wolves among the silent ones. Today Lhuna said that Izzy's behaviour was definitely suspicious and then Izzy made Lhuna rise on her suspicioun list This is nothing, too. Guy and Gil Almost nothing at all. Yesterday Guy said that the absent Gil might be Nogrod's ally and today Gil is second on his list. I highly doubt this is something. Guy and Izzy On Day One, Guy doesn't mention Izzy, which is interesting, because of his vote for xyzzy. The next Day Guy calls her likely innocent (while continuing to pursue xyzzy) and takes up a point of hers to accuse Nogrod (the self-preservation). He is happy Izzy contributes now, but doesn't look at what she contributes critically. He defends Izzy from Rikae and suspects Rikae for her accusation. My favourite (because very telling) line of Guy (towards Izzy): "Speak more, dear, or you'll be lynched by the likes of Rikae." Izzy says that Guy worries her a bit, but there's nothing substantial. Later, Guy is among her vote candidates, but then she voices a kind of understanding for Guy's situation and votes Nogrod. Guy says that her vote points towards her innocence. Today, Guy said that he doesn't understand the suspicion about Izzy's vote and that it isn't automatically suspicious just because Nogrod said so. He concedes that there is a wolf among the quiet ones, but Izzy is only the third on his list. Izzy's behaviour towards Guy is very fishy. Guy doesn't look at her critically even one time, instead he defends her more than once." Macalaure stood up and pointed at Guy and Izzy with his open hand. "Outlaws and outlawesses, I don't think I'm being too bold when I say: Here are your wolves!"

07-03-2007, 01:20 PM	#7
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,463	"That seems plausible. Issy seems to suggest she is gifted ...... but I can't say I have seen any evidence in her words before...." said Mithalwen...

07-03-2007, 01:42 PM	#8
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	"The night is drawing near, but nobody is saying anything." Macalaure observed sadly. "Well, I shall give you my vote now anyway: ++Isabellkya, since she seems more likely to receive the majority today. If she is evil, I strongly think Guy shall be lynched tomorrow. If I shall be killed tonight, you now know what I would advice you to do tomorrow. However, I have some... slight... vaaague... feeling that Guy, if he is a wolf, might decide it to be favourable not to attack me tonight." With these words, Macalaure laid himself to sleep - with a smile on his face. (crossed with Brinn)

07-03-2007, 01:45 PM	#9
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	For the second time that Day, Lhuna awoke with a jerk. "My apologies! I fell asleep, and I know I shouldn't have." She looked around at the other Outlaws; some of them too had fallen asleep. But they had already cast their votes. "Before my accidental slumber, I had expressed suspicion of Izzy, Rikae, and Mith, from which I believe come our two wolves. "Izzy remains highly suspect. I know I probably can't blame her, but at these crucial Days one would expect to hear more from her, if not in number of speeches then at least in substance. "Rikae now seems much more innocent, and not just because she and Izzy cannot be wolves together. Like Days before she again exudes a confidence in speaking her mind because she has nothing to lose, it seems. But your point about me concerning Izzy is ridiculous. There are some things over which the hand has no control. "Mith is suspicious, but maybe for things she cannot control. I can certainly forgo having her lynched, but with the hope that in the coming Days she'll say more. I also need to start looking towards other possible wolves who might be hiding in innocent-ish words...Mac stands out for example. Unfortunately, there is now no time for that." ++ISABELLKYA

07-03-2007, 01:50 PM	#10
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,463	"I am not a wolf". said Mithalwen " Look elsewhere. I feel uneasy about TGWBS, fairly confident of Mac. Izzy and Gil... Gil.. the loquacity is disarming - trying ot make up for lost time..... would an ordinary Gil bother ....? And now so little time.. I think though if Izzy were gifted she might have spoken openly trusting that she could be protected as well as saving her neck"

07-03-2007, 01:39 PM	#11
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	"An interesting theory, Mac. I suspected tgwbs for sometime, and now I've been second guessing myself. I don't know. Perhaps I should reconsider and take a closer look at him. But we can only lynch one at a time, so I think we should still focus on Gil and Izzy toDay. Here's an analysis on each one: "For Gil: "His first post on Day 1 is nothing but jokes and name calling. And that is followed by more joking and bantering with Shasta. His last post is the only one with content. He thinks tgwbs's vote strange (I agree), defends himself from my statements, and then votes Shasta saying, 'rest in peace my lad, though for the first couple of days, many innocents will probably be lost' He doesn't speak again until toDay. "ToDay he stars off claiming Shasta to be on the wolves' side and accuses me of suspecting him. He votes for me. His second statement he warns me I'll be proven guilty when he's proven innocent. Accuses me of pulling a 'crusade' against him. Says he'll hope for my survival and back off him I no longer suspect him. "For Izzy: "On Day 1, she speaks after the deadline...her post has no content. "On the second Day, she's thankful that there was no kill, then questions the intentions of Beleg and Turin. In her last comments, she defends her vegetarianism, but doesn't give any suspects. Doesn't vote. "Day 3, she is once again happy to see everyone still alive. She suspects Rikae for suspecting her and a vote switch. She suspect Nogrod of jumpiness and is worried about tgwbs. She doesn't think the wolves are among the silent and then accuses Mac of being silent. Later, she's worried about Nogrod, tgwbs, and Rikae and notes that Rikae and Nogrod ignore each other. Finds Nogrod and tgwbs's debate 'eyebrow raising.' Votes Nogrod. "ToDay, she again is thankful for a no-kill, her first post has no content. Then she suspects Rikae for her words and also based off gut feeling. Is uneasy of me and Lhuna. She doesn't like Gil's speeches and is no longer suspicious of tgwbs. Votes Rikae."

07-03-2007, 01:46 PM	#12
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	"Okay, both of our silents are looking pretty suspicious. I would say Gil is almost furry, but I recall that he has seemed quite outrageous and suspicious in the past and turned out innocent. "Izzy is looking more and more suspicious to me. Her words have little content and seem forced, and I don't think her votes have very good reasoning behind them. I also think Mac has a very plausible theory with some good evidence. If she is a wolf, we need to take a good look at tgwbs toMorrow. ++Izzy "And if she is not a wolf, then Gil-Galad must be. I will not believe for a second that neither of our quiets are guilty." EDIT: X-ed with Mac and Lhuna