A 'darker' Hobbit

[Sauron the White]

as far as I'm concerned

So then we are not discussing reality but only your perceptions on the skewed opinions which result from your perceptions. That makes it a whole lot easier to justify any position you may take.

You do not consider the Jackson LOTR films to be film versions of LOTR books. It seems the rest of the world has spoken on this issue --- and has spoken rather loudly.

Reminds me a bit of the old story about the proud mother who watched as her son marched by woefully out of step in a parade proclaiming loudly "everyone is out of step but my Johnny".

[davem]

Originally Posted by Sauron the White

You do not consider the Jackson LOTR films to be film versions of LOTR books. It seems the rest of the world has spoken on this issue --- and has spoken rather loudly.

And what percentage of the movie audience has actually read LotR?

[Sauron the White]

I do not know ---- do you? And what would that prove anyways? That only persons like yourself have the true believers inside and holy knowledge to talk about such things?

[davem]

Originally Posted by Sauron the White

I do not know ---- do you? And what would that prove anyways? That only persons like yourself have the true believers inside and holy knowledge to talk about such things?

Your argument seemed to be that 'the rest of the world' had spoken & declared that the movies were faithful representations of the books. I'm not disputing the popularity of the movies, I'm just pointing out that the fact that lots of people liked the movies does not prove that they are faithful representations of the books in style or content. Given the amount of money the movies made I'd suggest that many, many more people have seen the movies than have (or will) read the books. They cannot therefore add anything to a discussion on whether the movies are faithful to the books.

[Sauron the White]

Yet again we have the use of value loaded words intended to win the day with their decisive implications. Now its FAITHFUL. The fact is this and its fairly simple. JRRT said he did not feel a filmmaker could film LOTR. That was partly his motivation for selling the rights. Why not put some money in your pocket to pay the taxman when you also feel that nothing will come of the rights you are selling away? Very clever of the Professor. Sure, I will sell you the rights to something but I feel you cannot do it anyways.

But someone did. Once rather poorly in the case of Bakshi and three times rather successfully. I am not talking about your opinion - or my opinion - but in the opinion of the ticket buying public, the professional critics, and the industry insiders who lavished the films with awards of excellence.

Again --- a book is one thing - a film is another thing. They are not the same.

[davem]

Originally Posted by Sauron the White

Yet again we have the use of value loaded words intended to win the day with their decisive implications. Now its FAITHFUL. The fact is this and its fairly simple. JRRT said he did not feel a filmmaker could film LOTR. That was partly his motivation for selling the rights. Why not put some money in your pocket to pay the taxman when you also feel that nothing will come of the rights you are selling away? Very clever of the Professor. Sure, I will sell you the rights to something but I feel you cannot do it anyways.

But someone did. Once rather poorly in the case of Bakshi and three times rather successfully. I am not talking about your opinion - or my opinion - but in the opinion of the ticket buying public, the professional critics, and the industry insiders who lavished the films with awards of excellence.

Again --- a book is one thing - a film is another thing. They are not the same.

Which is all very well & good - except I stated clearly & unambiguously in my last post that the movies were successful. I didn't care for them & now find them merely irritating - but that is neither here nor there. All I was saying was that most of those who have seen the films have not read the books (given audience size against numbers of books sold) & therefore cannot comment on whether the movies were faithful adaptations or not.