Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXXVI Game Thread

[CaptainofDespair]

Originally Posted by Holbytlass

If i were a wolf why would I come out playing I was the seer at that moment? I was under no threat of being lynched garnering only one vote in the beginning from Mithalwen. Even SpM wasn't under huge suspicions. The wolves had a huge head start after that three way lynching so why would I lie and say I was the seer and get rid of a fellow wolf, also outing myself?

I am the seer, I got lucky dreaming of a wolf and nailed him at a critical time for the village, not the wolves.

Because the village was in danger of falling to the wolves. And what better way than to win the game by getting the real Seer lynched. By using two wolves, instead of one true innocent, in your game, you allowed yourselves (it would seem to me) to be set up for a double lynch. Now, that was contingent on several factors, such as me revealing myself and not knowing Sauce to be a wolf. That is one theory of mine. It is somewhat flawed, but it did form the first ideas of how this might have gone down.

My other is that you would allow one of you to be lynched (you, specifically, Holby) when the Seer came out. Sauce might then look a tad more innocent than what he was, giving you two wolves with knowledge of the Seer. Without me, the village could not easily find the last wolf. That might then be enough to garner victory for you.

And wolves have outed each other before. WW is a game of attrition. If wolves must be outed to ensure victory, I do not doubt they'd do it if it'd secure a win.

[Holbytlass]

Originally Posted by CaptainofDespair

Because the village was in danger of falling to the wolves.

Therefore, as a wolf, I would have sat back and let it fall.

And wolves have outed each other before. WW is a game of attrition. If wolves must be outed to ensure victory, I do not doubt they'd do it if it'd secure a win.

True, very true, but again the timing of my so-called "charade" is way off. The wolves were ahead and in no danger at that moment-so I would not have pointed fingers at a fellow wolf needlessly.

[CaptainofDespair]

Originally Posted by Holbytlass

Therefore, as a wolf, I would have sat back and let it fall.

True, very true, but again the timing of my so-called "charade" is way off. The wolves were ahead and in no danger at that moment-so I would not have pointed fingers at a fellow wolf needlessly.

Why let it? There were 4 innocents (counting the Seer) and three wolves. It is not so hard to assume that as the numbers of innocents drop, the likelihood of a wolf being lynched increases significantly. I would surmise since Saucepan Man opted out of the quintuple lynch to win the game earlier, that you might have wished to go out in 'style' perhaps?

As for pointing fingers, Sauce was a tad in danger. Phantom was not sure of him, I think, and a few others had their suspicions. Also, had you not pulled your charade before I was able to view the forum, I might have come out to declare Sauce a wolf to save the village. But, perhaps, since I did not, you went ahead with a predetermined plan.

I have no real idea what was going through your minds. You are individuals after all, and so your reasoning is not so easy to see (it could very well have been illogical, masterminded by the insane Gil-Galad?). I can only guess at your motives and decision-making.

[Holbytlass]

Now you are grasping at straws.

Originally Posted by [B

CoD[/B]]I would surmise since Saucepan Man opted out of the quintuple lynch to win the game earlier, that you might have wished to go out in 'style' perhaps?

Style? LOL!! I have no style, sir.

No, SpM likes to win but doesn't like things handed to him. He might be kicking himself now, though.
If he and I orchestrated this, he certainly would have thought through this fiasco better.


I'm afraid I have to go and feed my wee ones and therefore have to leave for awhile.

[CaptainofDespair]

Originally Posted by Holbytlass

Now you are grasping at straws.


Style? LOL!! I have no style, sir.

No, SpM likes to win but doesn't like things handed to him. He might be kicking himself now, though.
If he and I orchestrated this, he certainly would have thought through this fiasco better.

Maybe, maybe not.

As for the style comment: I thought wolves were opportunists, taking what the game gave them. Opportunists often lack style (though I recall one French Revolutionary having style while meandering his way through the Terror and Napoleon when opportunity struck). Since you are not clearly opportunists, then, perhaps you do have style but are unwilling to ascribe to it?

In any case, that is not important. Petty quibbles will not get you and Gil-Galad lynched, but a good case will. And I think whatever one you could have had started to come undone when Gil-Galad attempted to play the Seer. Even in jest it is unwise to be so foolish when you already have one supposed Seer on your side. Gil is certainly a crazed and very fool hardy wolf. His silence would have played out better for you two, I think.

[Kath]

Oh please tell me you're kidding! Three potential Seers? And here I thought this was going to be a simple game.

So, we have three sets of options:

1) Holby is the Seer making CoD a wolf and the rest unknowns.

2) CoD is the Seer making Gil and, presumably Holby, a wolf and Mith and myself innocents.

3) Gil is the Seer making myself and CoD wolves and Mith and Holby innocents.

YesterDay I was convinced of Holby's Seership, but why would the wolves not kill her in the Night? I know there are all kinds of theories about setting people up and bluffing but a Seer is such a danger to the wolves. Whatever the possible benefits of leaving one alive are surely the negatives must outweigh that? Which is why I now have misgivings over Holby's claim.

Gil, well, to be honest his revelation looked like retaliation. It's something we've seen from him before. He's accused so he accuses right back, and since he has me down as a wolf I'm hardly inclined to believe him. I suppose it is possible that he did dream of CoD and maybe either Mith or Holby, but just had to guess at the roles of the ones he didn't dream of. I'll have a look back over his posts just in case but I think he's just following the crowd here.

As to CoD, I am always wary of someone who reveals after someone else has already done so, and to me the choice is between him and Holby (I can't really see Gil being away so much and forgetting the game if he was something important, especially after his performance as a Gifted not long ago). This back and forth between those two might show something valuable, so I'll have a look at that while I'm checking out Gil's history as well.

[Gil-Galad]

this game is reaching its end and i must state that my wariness of posting has helped me do my seer duties, i told you i am trying out different tactics! but i must protest that captain's accusation of me being a wolf is so untrue and my dream of him focuses him being a wolf... if you kill me you will discover

Day four: Gil-Galad(Seer)

and that will surely give the remaining two wolves a kill... let us at least try to take one down, if i must i will go along with a double lynching of myself and Captain to end the debate of either of us being wolves! because surely i am dead by tomorrow