Weres of Eire: Game Thread

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nogrod & Thinlómien, your willingness to appease us makes us suspicious of you. Why so keen not to vote for us?

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

We don't trust Nogrod. We'll give more reasons tomorrow, as we must now be off to our tale-telling and feasting, but his suspicions don't make too much sense to us, and he seems to want to build unwholesome alliances for probably-devious purposes. He must die.

So say the warriors of Finn of the mighty deeds.

++NOGROD

[Thinlómien]

I've reread Sauce's posts and they don't seem so suspicious anymore. Though I will definitely keep an eye on him.

As this was mostly a choice between him and EC, they must, sadly, receive my vote, though their last post sounds quite interesting. Surely that is worth noticing.

++Eomer and Cailín

Because they've throwed weird accusations around (like the exhaustion-thing) and because they were kind of asking for it...

Good night, fellow villagers!

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Cailomer

We are displeased with Brinniel's comments regarding our so-called "she-side". We have no 'she-side' but are, rather, numerous warriors banding together – the two most prominent of whom are named Eomer and Cailín. The mere suggestion that that aspect known as Cailín would be either more useful to the village in a positive way, or indeed so careless as to reveal any hint of inner evil, is demeaning to all of us.

I never said I had a preference to one side, I just would like to hear both personalities of one being, so to say.

Cailomer is acting very odd and jumpy toDay, but for now I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I'd like to hear more from them tomorrow anyways.

SPM is the only one I can draw suspicion from based on reasons I stated earlier. It would be a shame to lose him so early if he is innocent, but then again, he can be quite the treacherous baddie. And since I am out of time, I must rush and make my vote.

++Saucepan Man

EDIT: X-ed with Lommy and Rikae (good to see you show up, btw)

[Rikae]

Well, I'm sorry for my late arrival - I only just realised the game was on now.

Reading through the posts, the most alarming - or just the strangest - thing I can see is Lommy's behavior. Accusing those who accuse in jest is a classic wolf blunder - one I would consider too obvious, though, for either an evil or good Lommy to fall into. She is too experienced for this; I oculd only imagine a cobbler-Lommy, or some other role that might deliberately draw suspicion upon itself, doing such a thing.

Clearly EC and SPaM were throwing out the usual groundless first accusations; in doing so - and in-character no less, surely they realised they drew attention to themselves. SPaM's post seems to involve something more than banter - perhaps an excessive friendliness, an attempt to establish himself as an indispensible "presence" in this game. Nogrod even mentions not wishing to vote for someone who is amusing - while I understand it, this could be deadly in such a small group.

One more thing I noted is that Durelin doesn't seem quite Durelin-ish. She appears ever so slightly more cautious and calculated than usual.

I agree that a day without a lynch simply plays into the hands of the baddies, but I'll hold off on voting for now in hopes things become clearer.

EDIT: X'd with Lommy, EC & Lommy again.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

your willingness to appease us makes us suspicious of you. Why so keen not to vote for us?

I'm not keen to vote anyone right now even if I do know I need to do it. But what I'm afraid of is that we end up like so many times before lynching an outspoken innocent on Day1 just because it's so easy to vote for those who are talked about eg. those who have themselves said something that stirs discussion.

Also as a friend of games where people have lively discussions I am - and have always been - a friend of loudmouths / contributors / discussion openers / whatever name you wish to use. Thence I wish to see the silent dangers eliminated on Day1 if there is no case to be made against anyone more in the frontrow of discussions.

I'm ready and willing to vote for you Cailmer, or Spm, or Lommy or... as soon as I have a reason for it that is above pure chance. But as long as there are no good grounds for voting you I'd risk my chances with those who do not contribute that much and are thence always more or less shots in the dark. They will turn into real threats as Days go by.

Somehow I get the odd feeling that I have experienced this discussion taking place once or twice already...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But what I'm afraid of is that we end up like so many times before lynching an outspoken innocent on Day1 just because it's so easy to vote for those who are talked about eg. those who have themselves said something that stirs discussion.

Just to press my point look at the voting so far:

Spm -> Lommy
Cailmer -> Nogrod
Lommy -> Cailmer
Brinniel -> Spm

So those people who have actually tried to have the discussion going are now those walking towards the gallows. This is what I was trying to avoid. Sadly with little success this far.

[Nogrod]

I need to be voting soon and have tried to scan the thread through for anything I've missed or just not paid attention to.

Here's what I'd like to bring forwards.

I am a bit worried with Lommy's way of apologising her vote almost to excession. She seems to overdo it and that makes me wonder. Also her final reasons for voting them sound a bit odd when compared with her self-proclaimed pity if they were lynched:

Originally Posted by Lommy

Because they've throwed weird accusations around (like the exhaustion-thing) and because they were kind of asking for it...

I'm not sure if this cries evil but it looks noteworthy anyhow.

Cailmer's vote for me makes them look a bit more innocentish to me. They had consistently suspected Brinn the whole Day and later brought up Lommy as a candidate as well but in the last minute they changed their mind and voted for me. I think a wolf would have settled with a nicely built up "case" and voted for Brinn - or Lommy with whom they had a small exchange - and not risk a possible "counterstrike" (with all this "we'll elaborate the reasons toMorrow"). Also their complaints on why some people don't want to vote them coupled with their shown eagerness to vote for those people looks more innocentish than lupine.

I'm not sure if I can see the added caution or calculation in Dury's posts like Rikae does. But as a non native speaker I might fail to see things. And Dury is crafty enough to look perfectly her normal self and still be a villain.

Pretty many people seem to be getting through this first Day quite easily. If Kath, Dury, Isabell, Rikae... don't make a lot more contributions later toDay they should be looked much more closely toMorrow.


Here we go then.

I find suspicious:
Isabell - The silent ones are always hard to catch but the slip about being frightened might be the one to make it this time.
Kath - I always find her suspicious and am afraid of her as she can pass every radar and still get on with it.

I have some concerns:
Lommy - Because of what I mentioned above.
Dury - She's one of those one just can't say anything. So we should be very careful with her.

I'm slightly worried about:
Spm - He doesn't ring any alarms right now.
Brinniel - She doesn't ring any alarms right now.
Rikae - She doesn't ring any alarms right now.
Menel - He hasn't have had even a chance to raise any alarms this far.

I'm believing innocentish:
Cailmer - Look above for stated reasons.

Now a cigarette to decide a vote...

[Nogrod]

++ Isabellkya

Originally Posted by Isabell

I have to admit, I am a little frightened.

While all the rest of her post is in a kind of matter-of-fact -discussion mode this starting line bothers me. She's not in a role in her post so why this? I can't see an innocent person making that comment in a straightforward stylish discussion. But a wolf might wish to try and look innocentish by making this kind of a comment.

[Kath]

Ok, I'm here at last. I'm so glad I live with computing students, I really do not get these internet connections. Should be able to stay until the deadline now though for once! Just going to do a quick catch up.

Durelin - began surprisingly ... sane? I don't know how else to explain it. Perhaps it is the lack of a role as an outlet for her madness but her random accusations actually had some sense to them!

Izzie - frightened by the lack of posts. That seems odd to me, though that could only be because I like the lack of posts, but only those with something to hide need large amounts of words to shield them.

Brinniel - points out the obvious a bit, though helpfully, as I'd not realised we hadn't been told the number of wolves. Pokes a bit at Eolin and Sauce, though doesn't condemn them.

Lommy - good first post talking about the possible number of wolves and also about the no execution thing. It would be nice to make it through a Day without killing anyone but without a voting record we have less to go on tomorrow, and that only does us more harm than good. Suspicions on Sauce and Eolin. Possibly over-analysing the narrative, but it's a fair angle to look at. Ah! And one of the famous flip-flops occurs over SPM. Would love to know why the change of heart?

Nogrod - basically repeats everything Lommy just said. Then there's a comment I don't understand:
"I think also that we need to be aware not to direct all our attention and / or suspicion over exactly those people who look like ones we could easily turn to - even if it is the easiest way for any individual in the confusion and guessing on Day1."
Would you mind explaining Noggie? I didn't quite get what you meant.
Also, the possibility of a double lynch was mentioned (I know, it's not actually happening now but still) and that was a strange thing to me. Why would you want a double lynch in a village so small? Especially later on when quiet ones might just provide the numbers needed to keep the villagers in the lead. Unless a Seer pops up with the names of two wolves under their belt I can't see a double lynch ever helping us in this game, and the suggestion seems suspicious. Has Izzie as the most suspicious from his list. Is really over-explaining his choice of vote, but I guess some people think out loud.

Eolin (I chose that one, I quite liked it) - rambles with no actual answers as to the matter of how many votes they get. I suspect it's just the one, and only one lynch/kill will cause their death. I'm loving the story of the Finn, but am growing tired of the lack of helpfulness. I don't want them gone by any means, they're too entertaining, but I would like some sense from them. Pretty solid suspicion of Brinniel though.

Sauce - picks up on a few points and adds his thoughts. Pretty normal for him by the look of things. Has Lommy, me and Brinniel down as suspects, with reasoning being drawn from his 'cards'. I take it Sauce is one of the few with a role, and assume his reasoning is actually based on past games, in which case it may have some merit to it. Only problem is, he gave both the good and bad points of each card, thereby covering his back and not giving particularly definitive answers.

Rikae - thinks Lommy odd for seeing jest as serious. I suspect that may be down to Eolin and Lommy's sense of humour not meshing, but it's a fair point. Notes the same difference I did in Durelin.

Votes:
Lommy - 1 (Sauce)
Nogrod - 1 (Eolin)
Eolin - 1 (Lommy)
Sauce 1 (Brinniel)

Right, suspicions (I'm going with the assumption that there are three wolves because it's what I'm used to):
Sauce
Brinniel
Nogrod

I think we may well have a wolf on wolf vote in Brinniel's vote for Sauce. He made a throwaway comment about her at the beginning and then Brinniel slowly built up a case against him from the start. Voting for Sauce on Day 1 can almost be considered a safe vote as well, as he rarely gets lynched early on because the benefits of an innocent Sauce are often considered to outweigh the consequences of an evil one.

As for Nogrod, I think what I said above mostly covers that. He feels wrong to me.

I'll have a think about my vote. Right now I think it will go to Brinniel, but if no one else will go for that I'm pretty equal on voting Sauce or Nogrod.

[Kath]

Cross posted with Noggie so I'll update the voting:

Lommy - 1 (Sauce)
Nogrod - 1 (Eolin)
Eolin - 1 (Lommy)
Sauce 1 (Brinniel)
Izzie - 1 (Nogrod)

[Kath]

Am I really the only person around? Okay ... voting time. Voting Brinniel obviously isn't going to do any good so it's between Nogrod and Sauce.

++NOGROD

Because Sauce is too useful an innocent when alive. I know, I know, I'm arguing my own point back at myself. But I find it so hard to form an opinion about Noggie, and I'm quite sure that if I don't vote for him toDay I will spend most of tomorrow either regretting it or finding myself arguing in circles. Assuming I'm alive of course.

[The Saucepan Man]

Aargh! You are not listening to the cards, those innocent Irelanders among you!

My vote for Lommy was not thrown out for a reaction, though my earlier posts were, admittedly. They achieved that which I intended of them. I shall not give a reason for my vote just yet. Perhaps toMorrow, should I survive, but I suggest that people just read Lommy's posts, in context. Rikae and Nogrod look to have caught on to part of it. Although Nogrod, through his standard tendency to keep in the game those he wishes to play with, has unfortunately mis-voted. I hope that it does not bring his downfall, for I find him likely innocent.

And it looks to me, from more recent contributions, that the cards spoke true of Lommy's companions. Brinniel and Kath are the other two to watch, mark my words.

I am not sure now how much longer we have. One hour or two? But I am content to let my vote lie where it currently stands.

[Rikae]

Sorry not to give an explanation now - real life intervenes.

++Saucepan Man

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I find it odd that SPM places Kath in the suspicious category before she even has the chance to speak.

The cards never lie.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

And his vote for Lommy...I cannot see a good reason behind it. Perhaps he could give us more explanation...

I could, but I won't. Not for now.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I would not like to lynch EC on the first day without a good reason, since they play so rarely and it's a pleasure to play with them ...

Yet you still voted for them without good reason. I would have thought that my "unreasoned" vote for you would give you a better reason to vote for me than them.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I've reread Sauce's posts and they don't seem so suspicious anymore.

Oh really. Why is that then? Perhaps because you don't want to vote for one who has voted for you?

Originally Posted by Rikae

Reading through the posts, the most alarming - or just the strangest - thing I can see is Lommy's behavior. Accusing those who accuse in jest is a classic wolf blunder - one I would consider too obvious, though, for either an evil or good Lommy to fall into.

Yes, that's part of it. But there is more.

Originally Posted by Rikae

SPaM's post seems to involve something more than banter - perhaps an excessive friendliness ...

Funny, because Lommy accused me of being "aggreeable". Yet I find that I have been distictly unagreeable and distinctly unfriendly thus far.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Nogrod even mentions not wishing to vote for someone who is amusing - while I understand it, this could be deadly in such a small group.

Quite so. His vote for Izzie was absurd and unhelpful. But that's a Day 1 Noggie for you.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

SPM is the only one I can draw suspicion from based on reasons I stated earlier. It would be a shame to lose him so early if he is innocent, but then again, he can be quite the treacherous baddie. And since I am out of time, I must rush and make my vote.

Bad, bad Brinn. But perchance this vote will not go well for you.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I am a bit worried with Lommy's way of apologising her vote almost to excession.

Quite so. You should go woth your instincts, not with who you wish to see in the game in the Days to come.

Originally Posted by Kath

Perhaps it is the lack of a role as an outlet for her madness but her random accusations actually had some sense to them!

Surely you are not serious here. I doubt that even Durelin would agree with you on this one.

Originally Posted by Kath

Lommy - good first post talking about the possible number of wolves and also about the no execution thing.

Yes, a great first post, if you don't mind people who state the obvious just to look like they are saying something helpful ...

Originally Posted by Kath

Pretty normal for him by the look of things.

My posts have been anything but normal for me thus far. And intentionally so.

Originally Posted by Kath

Only problem is, he gave both the good and bad points of each card, thereby covering his back and not giving particularly definitive answers.

Yes, that was rather the point.