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Beanamir of Gondor · 10-05-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir Kohran

I liked the redesigned ending to FOTR.

I'd definitely have to agree with that - also the fact that (despite TTT being excruciatingly boring without its beginning and end) Shelob was moved to ROTK. I had the three-volume book when I first read LotR, but I recall my friend Kayla owned only the first two volumes... when she got to the end of TTT she threw the book against the wall and yelled "Oh, great! Now I get to wait until Monday so I can go to the bookstore to find out what happens to Frodo!"

I'm kind of split on one scene: mostly in the EE, but during RotK, when Denethor tells Faramir he should have died rather than Boromir. Given, it's a beautiful, sad scene, and David Wenham is fabulous. But the context of the scene is not "I hate you, my son, go die." It's more like... "If you're not as stubborn and strong as your brother was, we're all going to die," and Denethor used it in a frustrated, provocative sense in front of Gandalf and half the court. I like the scene... I just feel angry that Faramir is made so dependent on his father's approval.

Folwren · 10-05-2007, 02:03 PM

I like the fact that in the movie Aragorn gets to kill a few orcs at Amon Hen and he doesn't just come crashing through the trees and underbrush yelling "Elendil!" in time to see Boromir die...

Anyway...that was an actual improvement, instead of just adapting from book to movie.

I'll read through the thread now.

-- Folwren

Meriadoc1961 · 10-05-2007, 03:38 PM

I guess I would have to say that I also enjoyed the fight scene with the Rohirrim and the wargs and Orcs. That is, until Aragorn went over the cliff.

I also enjoyed the funeral for Theoden.

Merry

Raynor · 10-05-2007, 03:58 PM

The arrival of the elves at Helm's Deep. Anything else just helps me better understand why it is good for my health that I wasn't around the Tolkien boards when the movies discussion began.

Macalaure · 10-10-2007, 05:36 AM

There's one minor change I'd like to add here, the line about the dead Southron in Ithilien, which was given from Sam to Faramir.

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He wondered what the man's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil of heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would not really rather have stayed there in peace

I like the different tone this line obtains when given to a soldier. It also fits the character of Faramir (movie as well as book) very well.

Annatar · 10-21-2007, 03:29 AM

I liked the changing of Boromir's character, and his death scene. I also liked (blasphemy!) the elves at Helm's Deep. I had no problem with Bombadil's removal.

Shards of Narsil · 10-23-2007, 08:59 AM

I agree with much that is written here, although the elves at Helm's Deep is blasphemy (in my opinion) but its ok to disagree. Taking dialogue and moving it from one character to another I think was good since it allowed the movie's to keep that character. For example, the words given to Treebeard from Tom Bombadil help to keep something from Bombadil in the movies even though his character was removed.

As many have said, the books are still better, but there is one point where the movies may have a slight edge. That is, the movies allowed the story to be told in real time more so than the books. This is especially an issue during TTT and RoTK when there are two separate story lines, those being Frodo and Sam in Mordor, and the rest of the Fellowship in Rohan and Gondor. During the development of the movies, much care was put into having both story lines run parallel to each other so that as the movies went back and forth between them, the events would be occurring beside each other in the timeline as they would have occurred. Tolkien's books just follow one or the other, where he stays with one story line and moves it ahead, and then goes back in time to pick up the other story line and run it ahead, and so on.

10-05-2007, 02:03 PM	#2
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	I like the fact that in the movie Aragorn gets to kill a few orcs at Amon Hen and he doesn't just come crashing through the trees and underbrush yelling "Elendil!" in time to see Boromir die... Anyway...that was an actual improvement, instead of just adapting from book to movie. I'll read through the thread now. -- Folwren __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

10-05-2007, 03:38 PM	#3
Meriadoc1961 Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 101	I guess I would have to say that I also enjoyed the fight scene with the Rohirrim and the wargs and Orcs. That is, until Aragorn went over the cliff. I also enjoyed the funeral for Theoden. Merry __________________ "If I yawn again, I shall split at the ears!"

10-05-2007, 03:58 PM	#4
Raynor Eagle of the Star Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sarmisegethuza Posts: 1,058	The arrival of the elves at Helm's Deep. Anything else just helps me better understand why it is good for my health that I wasn't around the Tolkien boards when the movies discussion began. __________________ "May the wicked become good. May the good obtain peace. May the peaceful be freed from bonds. May the freed set others free."

10-21-2007, 03:29 AM	#6
Annatar Pile O'Bones Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 22	I liked the changing of Boromir's character, and his death scene. I also liked (blasphemy!) the elves at Helm's Deep. I had no problem with Bombadil's removal. __________________ Cold be hand and heart and bone, and cold be sleep under stone:

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10-23-2007, 08:59 AM	#7
Shards of Narsil Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 33	I agree with much that is written here, although the elves at Helm's Deep is blasphemy (in my opinion) but its ok to disagree. Taking dialogue and moving it from one character to another I think was good since it allowed the movie's to keep that character. For example, the words given to Treebeard from Tom Bombadil help to keep something from Bombadil in the movies even though his character was removed. As many have said, the books are still better, but there is one point where the movies may have a slight edge. That is, the movies allowed the story to be told in real time more so than the books. This is especially an issue during TTT and RoTK when there are two separate story lines, those being Frodo and Sam in Mordor, and the rest of the Fellowship in Rohan and Gondor. During the development of the movies, much care was put into having both story lines run parallel to each other so that as the movies went back and forth between them, the events would be occurring beside each other in the timeline as they would have occurred. Tolkien's books just follow one or the other, where he stays with one story line and moves it ahead, and then goes back in time to pick up the other story line and run it ahead, and so on.