The Ring & the Curse

[Wanderer of Light]

Originally Posted by alatar

I didn't see in CoH that 'evil wins.' It's a tragedy, surely, but never did I think that Turin had a chance of winning as he's at times a jerk.

Reading through the former posts my fingers just itching to type the same. In fact, this tale could be considered just one of the many Chronicles of the First Age, though it is a very important one, evil hasn't actually won yet in the end of this Tale. In fact, evil is going to be butt-kicked in the end....

Now off course even though it's only a small and quit unimportant happening, when you look at the big picture, whether the curse will be fullfilled or not could also be considered a battle between good and evil. But even here, isn't this a bit of a Phyrric victory? I mean, Morgoth, besides the gallons and gallons of orcs he lost as well, lost Glaurung, which could be considered one of his greatest trump-cards.... I don't think Morgoth was very happy with the outcome of this either, eventhough the curse was fullfilled.



Now... Túrin as a failed Aragorn... I don't think this is a very valid comparison, due to the difference in the role they play in the tale. Either it is horribly off-topic, or you're talking about Aragorn not accepting the ring, knowing he would fail.... Túrin didn't quit come into a very similar situation, he didn't have the choice to be cursed by Morgoth or not. I think Túrin's biggest problem was his pride.....
Now Cursed by a Dark Lord & Pride vs. Temptation of Evil doesn't seem like a good comparison to me?

[A Little Green]

I'd like to stick to the point in the very first post that said

Is Túrin 'evil' or is he really a 'frightened child' trying to do his best & failing because of some inner fault

I'd say Túrin was by no means evil (which might be due to how I hate the words good and evil...). OK, he had really bad luck and he made mistakes, a whole lot of them in fact, but can he really be called evil because of that?

What comes to the comparison of Túrin and Aragorn, I just can't make a connection between those two. Actually, I'd rather compare Túrin to Sméagol, because of the 'evil' they do, and because neither of them I think is to be called evil...

And, finally, I must say that

Certainly, taken as stand-alone works the stand out difference is that in CoH evil wins & in LotR it loses. What interests me - & I've addressed this before - is that while in terms of (original) composition & of internal chronology CoH came first

made me instantly think about the Bible