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Oh. *crashes and burns* Well, that works, too.
Where did you find that?
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I guess you didn't really expect to get a clear answer Legate, so I'll remain speculative.
I would not go for the late writing choice, since it would seem strange that Gandalf wouldn't mention his presence in the area or would not consult him on the problem of Dol Guldur. I'd just ignore this late writing that isn't in accordance with any other source and go for the old southern location.
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Tolkien defined Rhosgobel in his unfinished index (information courtesy of Wayne Hammond and Christina Scull).
The first element appears related to words for 'red-brown' and a root RUS, noting Maedros for example -- though actually a related root beginning with SR- in this case as we have initial rh. According to Appendix E 'RH represents a voiceless r (usually derived from older initial sr-). Gobel maybe contains -pel 'enclosure, fenced field, garth', noting Pelargir 'Enclosure of royal ships'. But whether my guesses are right or wrong the meaning above is from Tolkien's index in any case, which is the important part. |
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The first working map that J.R.R. Tolkien made of Middle-earth shows Rhosgobel situated on the edge of Mirkwood just south of the Gladden Fields. However, a note appended to the essay on the Istari in Unfinished Tales places Rhosgobel farther north, between the Old Forest Road and the Carrock.
http://www.tuckborough.net/dwellings.html I found this looking for information. I think that Tolkien wasn't set on where it was and had changed it. That said, I always believed Radagast lived in the woods near by Mirkwood, but did not interact much with Elves or Humans but with animals and plants, so he would not be out and about within the normal paths and Rhosgobel could cover the area between southern edge of mirkwood and going further north between the Old Forest Road ect.
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Here's a highly speculative idea: suppose we try to reconcile the various quotations by positing two distinct homes for Radagast?
At one time, Radagast lived at his 'old home', Rhosgobel, which was near the borders of Mirkwood at around Beorn's latitude (the northern of the two locations), thus satisfying: Quote:
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I don't think I really believe the above proposal, but I thought it might be interesting to consider. Last edited by Aiwendil; 10-17-2011 at 01:27 PM. |
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Aiwendil, it's true, as you said yourself, that the version you posted does not make sense - however, what if we reversed it? What if Radagast at first lived near the Southern end of the forest, that was his "old home" - he lived there still by the time Gandalf visited Beorn (as Gandalf says to Beorn). This "old home" was what the scouts visited:
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I'm not expecting this to be accepted as a canonical answer, but we have one proverb in Czech: I don't know if an equivalent is in English, but we say "So that the wolf was fed but the goat remained whole". I think this is the case when the wolf was fed - but the goat remained whole.
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Another interesting idea, Legate. The problem of course is that then you need to posit two Rhosgobels, which is not anywhere suggested. Whereas if we suppose that the southern location was not called Rhosgobel, we don't have that problem - but we run into trouble with the LotR quote.
I think the 'real' answer is simply that when he wrote the late note, JRRT had forgotten what he'd written many years earlier. It certainly wouldn't be surprising, nor the only instance. |
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