Tol-In-Gaurhoth XXXVIII - E.T.T.T.S.O.W.I.

[Macalaure]

Nogrod analysed that line of Lommy better than I did.

Lommy is really my prime suspect at the moment, for all reasons stated above and also for her general nervousness and tension.

There's something mighty wrong with the way Volo defends Lommy. A lot could be said about it, but I don't have the time right now. Villain? Possible.

Nogrod, I'm neither the villain nor a Hänschmann.
But, as long as you don't want to lynch me, I can live with your suspicions.

I'm away tomorrow, so I will only be able to stop by very briefly and rather early to give my vote. I hope I'll be able to read something from Brinniel by then, not to mention xyzzy.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Legate

Comrade Lommy started to act a little bit touchy now

With this I agree, she's also "too happy".

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Really? You really thought of all those variants, and got to the same conclusions?

No, not really. I hadn't thought about Brinniel's position in it (she's escaping under my radar and I wish her to show up). It seems strange that Lommy mentioned Brinniel from such a perspective. I highly doubt that Menel was really after Brinniel, so much that he'd have dreamed about her, or then Lommy forgets that the Scientist didn't get to dream on Night1.

Still, Lommy leans more to innocent side.

You have spent a lot of time pondering this game if compared to the time you spend actually participating it with writing something...

Yes, or so I want to believe.


Have to run.

[Brinniel]

Sorry, sorry....I got caught up with Halloween celebrations. I dressed up as a dead soldier. Well, someone's gotta send the message...

Anyways...on the subject of Menel's death, I don't see why some of you are so surprised. It's quite typical for henchmen to go after the quiet ones for their first kill. After all, it's still too early to have a clear idea on who the gifteds are and this way no obvious tracks are left behind. Menel may not have been silent, but he made a grand total of two posts, neither of which have a lot of substance. Just about anyone here could've chosen him for a kill.

With all but one of the quiet players eliminated, we now definitely know there is a henchmen among the vocal players. No need to worry about xyzzy- if he is a henchman, we'll find out soon after we eliminate the first one. If he is not participating during the Day, I think most likely he would not be participating at Night either. The question was raised by someone whether xyzzy would be default-killed as a no-show; I am strongly against that. Because if he turns out innocent, we will lose another valuable player (number-wise), and it'll be another advantage for the baddies.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Well, the first thing I have to say is that I don't quite understand where all this suspicion towards me has come from. There seems to be few actual points against me, but still most people seem to be suspecting me. I can't help thinking that there's one (or two) henchmen hiding in this ill-based consensus of suspicion and laughing to themself/ves.

Originally Posted by Lommy

There are, as far as I know, three actual points against me. One is that I'm friendly. Second is that I'm stating the obvious. Well, what can I say? "Trust me, I'm not friendly, actually I'm quite evil!"? The third point was that as a wolf I might have killed Menel. I can hardly judge that - for some reason I haven't needed to think about it very much.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I did not say I don't want to be accused of thinking you're guilty. I said that I don't want to be accused of making a conclusion that "because Menel died, Mac must be guilty".

I get the feeling that Lommy is beginning to crack under pressure. Of course, anyone who is being accused is going to defend themselves, but it almost seems like she's trying too hard. When she says "I innocent," it doesn't seem completely sincere to me.

Originally Posted by Lommy

sounded very wolvish to me. I can't tell why but it just made a chill run down my spine. Sounds just like something a wolf would say...

So often there are those "wolfish" comments that makes us thing: hmmm. But I didn't get that feeling from Mac's comment. This just seems like a botched attempt to direct attention off of her and onto Mac..

Nogrod has suspected Lommy since Day 1, and now with this increasing pressure on her, I do not think they are on the same side...which actually does decrease my suspicions on him. But his whole analysis on Mac makes me uneasy...he's a bit too confident to assume that Mac is no worse than a villian and we should ignore him. It is never a good idea to completely ignore anyone. Now, if Lommy is a henchman, then Nogrod probably is not...though he could be just as easily a Villain who accidentally helped take out one of his own. But if Lommy is not a henchman, then I would definitely watch out for Nogrod...

There's something funny about that Volo. I'm not sure why, but his behaviour seems odd to me. I don't know if I should be suspicious of that, but I'd like to keep an eye on him...

[Thinlómien]

Let's truly hope that the villain does not count as a henchman in the end or we're truly going to lose if we (you...) continue this way.

Originally Posted by Volo

I highly doubt that Menel was really after Brinniel, so much that he'd have dreamed about her, or then Lommy forgets that the Scientist didn't get to dream on Night1.

S/he didn't? Well, then you can forget that point about Brinniel and then we're in more trouble than I thought we were.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Who else do you think tried to contact her/his henchmen yesterDay? Remember that in a small island like this the villain needs to do that because otherwise her/his own henchmen might kill her/him.

Should I reconsider what I think of you? This sounds very henchman-ish: calling the attention from hunting the henchmen to hunting the villain. As far as I know, we have no need to lynch the villain - especially as we can't afford killing too many un-henchmen. The villain is, of course, a threat, but I don't think we should be concentrating on him/her that much.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Firstly it seems that she has really spent some time analysing the henchmen position (#45). It was a bit too elaborate coming from just an innocent trying to think a bit what the baddies might have thought.

Says who? I'm getting worried about you...

Originally Posted by Legate

Comrade Lommy started to act a little bit touchy now, and in the quoted part she as a henchman could very, let's say, classically, try to draw away our attention to the fact that "we must lynch a baddie today", and thus forgetting the matter that was discussed before - her suspiciousness.

*sigh* I can say it again: of course I want that you think about something else - it's not very constructive that 90% of the village is after one person, especially if the person in question is innocent...

Originally Posted by Nogrod

An innocent says, because I'm innocent you should leave me alone for you're hurting our common cause.

What about this?

Originally Posted by me

Of course I'd prefer you guys focusing your energies elsewhere and not accusing/suspecting an innocent girl - especially as we must lynch a baddie toDay if we don't want to lose.

(I'm not saying I must be innocent because I said that - I might have said that as a henchman as well - merely pointing that Nogrod's attack is a faulty one.)

Originally Posted by Nogrod

A civilian protests that the others have got it wrong or she calls for the actual suspicions to be brought forwards so that she can answer them if necessary.

How can one call fro something to be brought forwards that does not seem to exist? At that phase it seemed that suspecting me was the popular suspicion of the Day and no one hardly had any good reasons.

~*~

Originally Posted by Volo

With this I agree, she's also "too happy".

So you are not allowed to be neither aggressive nor enjoy argumenting... I'll keep that in mind...

Originally Posted by Brinn

But I didn't get that feeling from Mac's comment. This just seems like a botched attempt to direct attention off of her and onto Mac.

OMG. You people are getting a bit ridiculous now. Does this mean that if you're #1 suspect of other villagers you can't talk about your own suspicions without making your situation worse? This all seems too much like "Lommy, we suspect you, therefore you must not talk about your suspects or raise points against other players or try to get discussion going on other matters than your suspected guilt or talk about time or actually anything else than yourself: you can only defend yourself, but otherwise, please don't make us listen to that crap. Oh, and when you defend yourself, don't do it too aggressively, because then we think you're a jumpy wolf. And oh, don't use smileys, you shouldn't be happy because we're accusing you! Heavens, you might be trying to make us lower our guard with being too friendly!"

*a row of rolleyes-smileys* Just remember to look at this consensus after my death and you know where the henchmen are hiding. Hey, I could consider myself a martyr! An innocent who died so that the villagers realised how stupid they were and where the henchmen are hiding. Too bad I never liked martyrs. *more rolleyes-smileys*

I really suspect Nogrod and Mac, Volo is a bit suspicious as well. But I won't waste my time on elaborating those as the only purpose I seem to have in this village anymore is defending myself. Clearly, if I wrote about my suspicions "I'd be trying to get the attention away from myself". *even more rolleyes-smileys* Oh, and now of course someone of you comes and says in a kindergarten-voice "dear Lommy, we never meant it that way, you can talk about your suspicion, we'll pretend to listen"... *the rest of rolleyes-smileys that exist in this world*

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

As I said before, I don't have time to elaborate on anything much now, and I'm leaving for good. So, my vote. *points up at the post above mine* Now that did it. Trying too hard. Too touchy. Half-sad-jokingly. Overdoing that ("the rest of rolleyes-smileys that exist in this world"). That does not sound like innocent Lommy at all. I'm very careful after the Shasta-mistake, but I have to vote now and I daresay that I am more convinced in this case than I was back then. And no one looks more suspicious than her.

++Comrade Lommy

Have a nice rest of the Day.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate

Overdoing that ("the rest of rolleyes-smileys that exist in this world").

See I can't even joke anymore - it's suspicious... To be honest I'm quite fed up with this situation and I don't know why am I even posting this or wasting my time posting anything on this thread.

[Volo]

Lommy, either you're confused or I'm confused.

Self-defence is what you shouldn't do, accuse who you will as much as you will.

Now you feel like the villain more than anything. A martyr - exactly!

[Volo]

Please, don't give up Lommy, if you are innocent!

If you aren't, it turns everything I've said upside-down. I disagree with most accusations against you, but your reaction is either a very bad mood or something extremely wierd in the game.

I present another theory alongside the Nogvillain and Macwolf -theory:
The Brinnwolf/Lommvillain/wolf -theory. I know that this is far-fetched but it's my typical bad habit.

Nearly everybody except Brinniel has attacked Lommy rather strongly, but now that Lommy is playing martyr, Brinniel understood the situation. It may be that Lommy is a wolf and it's agreed, but that seems an interesting twist to me. All Brinniel did before her last post was banter, comment on Mac's and Nogrod's fights and agree with Legate and vote Shasta. Staying with the alpha-villagers, if this is the situation?

What do you think?

[Macalaure]

I have very little time, but here's a little bit from me.

I like Brinn's idea about Nogrod being the villain. It's a possibility. Right now, I think Comrade Legate is innocent, Brinniel might be the second henchwoman, Nogrod might be the villain, and whatever Susie is, she's probably up to no good. I need to think about the possibilities more tomorrow. The upcoming lynch and kill will be telling, I hope. Talking about lynching:

++Thinlómien

Her recent posts clearly give me the feeling of a trapped werewolf, not of an innocent wrongly accused.

I hope xyzzy gets eliminated if he fails to show up. I don't really care whether it's good for our numbers or not, it's not good for our fun.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by The hench-hippie

Just remember to look at this consensus after my death and you know where the henchmen are hiding. Hey, I could consider myself a martyr! An innocent who died so that the villagers realised how stupid they were and where the henchmen are hiding.

No Lommy, you're not innocent and the villagers seem to be quite bright.

But surely one henchman is still missing. Although we don't need to worry about that so much as yet. Lommy's right that toDay's voting record will tell us who Lommy's mate in these crimes against humanity is.

Unless Xyzzy is the one. But I do doubt that as Lommy made an early vote on him on Day1 and that might have put an actual bandwagon rolling so that would have been a very dangerous move from her. Btw. nicely safe vote from the henchman on Day1.

EDIT: X'd with Lommy