Tol-In-Gaurhoth XXXVIII - E.T.T.T.S.O.W.I.

[Nogrod]

Think of the following Volo.

Were you innocent you would be outraged, confused, desperate...

You would ask how is this possible that the gifteds have got it wrong? Has Gil given the Super Scientist misinformation? Is there a secret in the game set up in a way that the roles we were told are not the ones there actually exist and there is some great evil going on behind the curtains? You would ask if we lie about your innocense and why on earth are we doing it? You would in a word challenge our knowledge about your role.

But I have seen almost nothing of this innocent reaction from you. On the contrary first you confessed your henchmanship and then after a long pause tried to defend yourself by this joking-hypotheses. Even if the main reason of playing ww is having fun it's pretty hard to imagine people jokingly voting or confessing in this kind of situation.

So your own actions nailed you my friend. Had you been an innocent and thinking of Legate's announcement as a joke you would have included a disclaimer of some sort to your joking confession and not left your confession to stand as your last word for 6½ hours...

And I can see quite clearly where you are coming from right now. After your initial confession you later saw certain lines in the discussion like:

Originally Posted by CIA

I know. We helped you do that.

Originally Posted by CIA

We might gloat a bit but maybe we just wait for Gil to end this first... ... And so sad you had to die Mac. We were counting on you to help us this Day but happily Volo confessed on his own...

And started to wonder the actual scientific experiments... now could it be that you were not definitively nailed as yet? Maybe Legate had experimented with Mac and not you the previous Night? So maybe we didn't actually know you're evil but just tested you? So there might be a chance to try and make us doubt your guilt after all?

Based on what I said above I see no reason to retract my vote Volo even though it's sad that a nice game ends this soon.

[Volo]

I really did believe that it was joke, that Legate did dream of me and wanted to confuse me. But he didn't dream of me, because I'm innocent. I think that me knowing that he didn't dream of me is a sign itself that I'm not lying now.

I didn't vote Brinniel jokingly. I voted already then rather jokingly, but the vote was meant for her, because of the stated reasons.

Why am I not outraged, confused or desperate.
I'm not outraged in WW, and anyway did being outraged help Lommy. It isn't a sign of an innocent. My post-frenzies don't depend on my role, but I'd say that I've been most outraged when I was a Wolf and in a tight spot talking about Oddwen's game here. Then again, I was just as frenzied in Jenny's game when innocent, and got lynched for it.
Confused, well, I have been confused with the rules, but I don't believe that Legate dreamt of me and got wrong information.
Desperate? Oh, I am desperate. I just can't think of anything that would prove my innocence better than what I've already said. I could come with many ideas why I'm innocent, but just as well I could come with many points why you or Legate are wolves, or Brinniel is an assassin, or anything else, but they wouldn't be convincing, would they?

I think a true confession is a spoiler of WW, and sigh every time somebody confesses (except for Menel's confession in Valier's game).
Keep this in mind in future games.

[Volo]

Ok, I'll tell one of my main points in a clearer way.

Originally Posted by Me

3. Read my preveous posts and think if even the boldest Wolf you have seen would ever have posted such posts (I'm talking about the confusions about the double-lynch rules and protecting Lommy.) Think.

I defended Lommy with risking my own health instead of staying low, even after it was rather clear that she would be lynched, unlike Brinniel who by the time moved from here "ignore partner" to "stay with the flow and vote partner" mode.

Originally Posted by Me

Wonderful! This means that my speculations were wrong and it does indeed makes a lot of sense killing the villain.

I brought up the whole subject of henchman double-lynches and even asked Gil about it. If all my posts with the changing moods are a bluff then I'm ready to regard myself the best Wolf, ever. Although I die for them, they simply are better faked than any other bluffs. I'm not that Wolf.

Can't you see how Brinniel's attitude to Lommy is quite typical and book-smart?

[Nogrod]

Okay, here's the deal.

-- Volo

++ Brinn

So.
Volo ++ Brinniel1
Legate ++ Volo1
Nogrod ++ Volo2
Brinniel ++ Volo3
Nogrod -- Volo2
Nogrod ++ Brinniel2

Which leads to a doublelynch.

Now Legate - if around - may choose to change if he wishes but this way the innocents win for sure.

Brinn has no chance of avoiding the gallows unless Volo wants to let her off the hook.

[Volo]

Smart move, somehow I forgot that one.

[Nogrod]

Long live the co-operation of CIA and KGB!

[Volo]

I told you, and how good that you listened enought to be on the sure side! I forgot the double-lynch...

[Volo]

2G is probably quite upset having written my tragical death, needing to add Brinn to it.

I'll help digging the drave. For myself, you may throw Brinniel down a cliff.

[Brinniel]

Haha, cutting it a bit close weren't you?

I knew you wouldn't let Volo just die like that and not take me down. I didn't get online until just now, but that was certainly entertaining to read, lol.

[Volo]

I'd go for another round. But I think something should be agreed about players like Xyzzy... :/

[Brinniel]

Okay, so where's Gil?

I wants to discuss!