WW XXXIX - Do Werebalrogs have wings? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Shastanis Althreduin · 11-20-2007, 01:15 PM

Ugh. We're down a Ranger, and it's all my fault.

Please come back, Mith, I'm sure nothing bad was meant by anything anyone said.

Edit: And that's kinda not cool, Lommy, referring to the Balrog who Sings as a "he", when I'm the only "he" left alive. :P

Mithalwen · 11-20-2007, 01:20 PM

Shasta thank you! You have decided me on so many things.

If you were a balrog you wouldn't want me to play. I think Nerwen innocent and if she isn't I can deal with losing to such a bravura performance.

To get the right kill we have to get the 2 votes for our choice first?

What do you say for voting Naria now and finishing this?

Mithalwen · 11-20-2007, 02:28 PM

Cannot stay and cannot risk voting too late again...will do what I should have done last night when I dithered as the axe fell.....

++Naria

Shastanis Althreduin · 11-20-2007, 04:38 PM

Naria... Nerwen... Naria... Nerwen...

Hm. I can't make up my mind. I'll read a bit and vote later.

Nerwen · 11-20-2007, 08:24 PM

Damn. That was the worst possible time for the site to break down. Believe it or not as you choose, but by that time I was leaning towards Ranger-ordo lovers, and I was going to argue that we couldn't risk lynching them.

And now Nogrod's dead– no surprises there.

Nogrod, Kath, Legate, I'll do my best to make sure you didn't die in vain.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

And that's kinda not cool, Lommy, referring to the Balrog who Sings as a "he", when I'm the only "he" left alive. :P

Thinlómien said she would use "he" for all the Balrogs, and that the narrations would contain no clues to their identity.

OK, people, this is the endgame. Consider your choice very carefully.

I'll be back soon with some arguments.

Nerwen · 11-21-2007, 02:03 AM

My problem here is that all three of you have been pretty quiet. I'll look at each of you.

Mith: Has some points against her– the leap for Gil, and, more importantly, the fact she has managed to get no less than three innocents lynched by delaying her vote. If she is the balrog, it was a clever tactic. On the other hand, in both cases the choice was a difficult one.

Shasta: Contributed virtually nothing in the first few Days; recently has been more active. Made the first Kath vote yesterday (but then he surely couldn't have have predicted the outcome so early).

He hasn't done anything really suspicious, and his posts sound very innocent. If he's a balrog playing the part of an ordo, he's doing a damn fine job.

And the single biggest point in his favour? He didn't immediately vote Naria when Mith already had. What would a balrog have to lose?

Shasta's out, then.

Naria: The quietest of all, and yet, to my mind, the most suspicious. See Legate's points at #247 and mine at #248.

One of my reasons for coming out with my thoughts about the lovers was that, if they were innocent and Naria was guilty, it looked like she was already on to them. I refer to her sudden vote to lynch Legate– a test to see how Kath reacted? (Shasta's vote for Kath could also be interpreted that way, however.)

Kath's argument that Naria couldn't be guilty, since a balrog would know how many Nights we've had no longer applies– all of you have seemed confused about things at some point.

I am hesitant at casting my vote only because it's so crucial. As the other candidate for lynching, though, and despite my lingering doubts about Mith, I pretty much have to vote for Naria.

I know I'm innocent, so I can't let myself get lynched now. Look at the numbers–

4 players
- 1 (lynched toDay by own side)
-1 (balrogged toNight)
= 2 players (1 villager + 1 balrog)

If I can't think of a good reason not to lynch Naria in the next couple of hours, she gets my vote.

Edit: If anyone's reading this, it should be obvious by now that I am not the balrog.

Mithalwen · 11-21-2007, 07:14 AM

Naria ..I know I look bad but I have been spectacularly unlucky with RL. I was dithering over my vote and IMed Lommy to ask when the deadline was - the four mins threw me. I was undecided because Kath and Legate voted differently which I thought sus.

Lommie thought I was reminding her to close the day and it was too late ... I was so upset you wont believe - lost sleep .... If I were the balrog I wouldn't have hung around an hour dithering when I should have been elsewhere when any ordo would do....

The fact you haven't jumped on my vote for Naria instantly confirms I am right to believe you innocent.

I think she really has to be a Balrog.

Please believe me .... I have had a bad game but I am not a balrog - think how I pin pointed Brinniel ... and as for Gil ..well there is history

.. I backed off as soon as a I guessed he was more likely gifted than balrog. Remeber I said - when he takes an interest he is not an ordo.....? His prompt vote for Brinn was the decider for me.

It is up to you. But from your and Shasta's posts I am sure Naria is the last enemy.

Nerwen · 11-21-2007, 07:42 AM

Okay, that's decided me.

And apart from everything else, I couldn't bear losing to Naria. At least you've contributed, Mith. And if you're the balrog, you're taking the trouble to put up a good show of innocence. All she's done is turn up now and then and fire off (apparently) random accusations.

++Naria

Nerwen · 11-21-2007, 08:02 AM

Memo to self: Next time, lynch the enigmas as soon as possible.

Thinlómien · 11-21-2007, 01:03 PM

They knew who they wanted to lynch, but they couldn't find her anywhere. ”Naria, where are you?” they called, but there was no answer. She had disappeared. ”She must have fled us when she realised we'd kill her”, Nerwen said. The miners looked everywhere, but they just couldn't find Naria. ”Well, it seems we don't need to kill her at all in order to get rid of her”, Shasta commented dryly.

Right at that moment they heard singing from the mines' bathroom. First it was only indecipherable humming, but they could hear Naria sang in a loud, rocking voice:

“Why can't you see
What youre doing to me
When you don't believe a word I say?

We cant go on together
With suspicious minds
And we cant build our dreams
On suspicious minds

So, if an old friend I know
Drops by to say hello
Would I still see suspicion in your eyes?

Here we go again
Asking where Ive been
You cant see these tears are real
I'm crying”

The end of the song was swallowed by sobs, coughs and other, unidentifiable noises. “What is happening? What is she doing?” Mithalwen asked.
Mith, Nerwen and Shasta walked closer to the bathroom. Now they could hear a small, sad voice singing:

”When honey, you know
I've never lied to you
Mmm yeah, yeah...”

”Naria?” Shasta asked carefully.
”You were wrong, it seems we do have to kill her”, Nerwen said gloomily.
”Should we break the door?” Mithalwen asked in a low voice.
”Naria, will you come out?” Shasta asked.
”We won't hurt you”, Nerwen said, her fingers crossed.

There was no answer.

”Or maybe we could just leave her there and let her starve?” Mith asked desperately.
”I think your first suggestion was better”, said Shasta and kicked the door. Nerwen and Mith followed his example. For an hour or so, they were kicking the bathroom door, trying to break it. When it finally gave way, they found an unmoving elf on the floor.
”Naria? Is it you?” Nerwen asked.
”She's dead”, Mith said in a hollow voice, ”and I don't think she looks like a dead balrog.”

At that moment, they heard an unbearably loud noise and the roof of the bathroom collapsed. They were blinded by the dust and a bright, unnaturally green light. A big metal hand reached from the roof and picked Naria up. Various beeps and cracks followed.

”Noooooooo! You can't take me!” Naria screamed, definitely alive. The more she screamed, the redder she got, until she was glowing like a firebrand and a great shadow shaped like wings was around her. But she did not get away, however hard she tried. The metal hand took her and put her inside a cabin with white walls. Then a door closed and Shasta, Nerwen and Mith could see Naria no more. From the hole on the roof they could see a big, shining saucer-like shape disappearing to the blue sky.

~*~

Dead
Thinlómien (mod) - killed by a wingless balrog on Night1
Rikae (ordo) - ate too many cobblers on Day1
Volo (Maeglin the Cobbler Lover) - dropped by a winged balrog on Night2
Lhunardawen (ordo) - committed suicide by smashing her own head on Day2
Macalaure (The Balrog with Swing) - left after being insulted by his low-class fans on Day2
The Might (Eärendil the Seer) - became the miners' shining star on Night3
satansaloser2005 (ordo) - landed face down on Day3
Gil-Galad (Glorfindel the Hunter) – died in a duel on Night4
Brinniel (The Balrog with Bling) – died in a duel on Night4
Kath (Idril the Ordinary Lover) - involuntarily ate poison mushrooms on Day4
Legate of Amon Lanc (Tuor the Ranger Lover) - voluntarily ate poison mushrooms on Day4
Nogrod (ordo) - roasted and eaten for breakfast on Night5
Naria (The Balrog who Sings) – taken by a big metal hand on Day5

Living
Mithalwen (ordo)
Nerwen (ordo)
Shastanis Althreduin (ordo)

VILLAGE WINS.
BALROGS LOSE.
LOVERS LOSE.

Congratulations villagers!

I will write a final narration that tells the final fates of those who survived. I hopefully manage to do it tomorrow, but other than that, the game has ended.

Thanks to everyone for playing, it was a hilarious game!

Everyone of you, living, dead or stalker, are welcome to discuss now.

11-20-2007, 02:28 PM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Cannot stay and cannot risk voting too late again...will do what I should have done last night when I dithered as the axe fell..... ++Naria __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

11-21-2007, 02:03 AM	#6
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	My problem here is that all three of you have been pretty quiet. I'll look at each of you. Mith: Has some points against her– the leap for Gil, and, more importantly, the fact she has managed to get no less than three innocents lynched by delaying her vote. If she is the balrog, it was a clever tactic. On the other hand, in both cases the choice was a difficult one. Shasta: Contributed virtually nothing in the first few Days; recently has been more active. Made the first Kath vote yesterday (but then he surely couldn't have have predicted the outcome so early). He hasn't done anything really suspicious, and his posts sound very innocent. If he's a balrog playing the part of an ordo, he's doing a damn fine job. And the single biggest point in his favour? He didn't immediately vote Naria when Mith already had. What would a balrog have to lose? Shasta's out, then. Naria: The quietest of all, and yet, to my mind, the most suspicious. See Legate's points at #247 and mine at #248. One of my reasons for coming out with my thoughts about the lovers was that, if they were innocent and Naria was guilty, it looked like she was already on to them. I refer to her sudden vote to lynch Legate– a test to see how Kath reacted? (Shasta's vote for Kath could also be interpreted that way, however.) Kath's argument that Naria couldn't be guilty, since a balrog would know how many Nights we've had no longer applies– all of you have seemed confused about things at some point. I am hesitant at casting my vote only because it's so crucial. As the other candidate for lynching, though, and despite my lingering doubts about Mith, I pretty much have to vote for Naria. I know I'm innocent, so I can't let myself get lynched now. Look at the numbers– 4 players - 1 (lynched toDay by own side) -1 (balrogged toNight) = 2 players (1 villager + 1 balrog) If I can't think of a good reason not to lynch Naria in the next couple of hours, she gets my vote. Edit: If anyone's reading this, it should be obvious by now that I am not the balrog. Last edited by Nerwen; 11-21-2007 at 06:02 AM. Reason: adding comments

11-21-2007, 07:14 AM	#7
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Naria ..I know I look bad but I have been spectacularly unlucky with RL. I was dithering over my vote and IMed Lommy to ask when the deadline was - the four mins threw me. I was undecided because Kath and Legate voted differently which I thought sus. Lommie thought I was reminding her to close the day and it was too late ... I was so upset you wont believe - lost sleep .... If I were the balrog I wouldn't have hung around an hour dithering when I should have been elsewhere when any ordo would do.... The fact you haven't jumped on my vote for Naria instantly confirms I am right to believe you innocent. I think she really has to be a Balrog. Please believe me .... I have had a bad game but I am not a balrog - think how I pin pointed Brinniel ... and as for Gil ..well there is history .. I backed off as soon as a I guessed he was more likely gifted than balrog. Remeber I said - when he takes an interest he is not an ordo.....? His prompt vote for Brinn was the decider for me. It is up to you. But from your and Shasta's posts I am sure Naria is the last enemy. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

11-21-2007, 01:03 PM	#10
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	Day5 ends. They knew who they wanted to lynch, but they couldn't find her anywhere. ”Naria, where are you?” they called, but there was no answer. She had disappeared. ”She must have fled us when she realised we'd kill her”, Nerwen said. The miners looked everywhere, but they just couldn't find Naria. ”Well, it seems we don't need to kill her at all in order to get rid of her”, Shasta commented dryly. Right at that moment they heard singing from the mines' bathroom. First it was only indecipherable humming, but they could hear Naria sang in a loud, rocking voice: “Why can't you see What youre doing to me When you don't believe a word I say? We cant go on together With suspicious minds And we cant build our dreams On suspicious minds So, if an old friend I know Drops by to say hello Would I still see suspicion in your eyes? Here we go again Asking where Ive been You cant see these tears are real I'm crying” The end of the song was swallowed by sobs, coughs and other, unidentifiable noises. “What is happening? What is she doing?” Mithalwen asked. Mith, Nerwen and Shasta walked closer to the bathroom. Now they could hear a small, sad voice singing: ”When honey, you know I've never lied to you Mmm yeah, yeah...” ”Naria?” Shasta asked carefully. ”You were wrong, it seems we do have to kill her”, Nerwen said gloomily. ”Should we break the door?” Mithalwen asked in a low voice. ”Naria, will you come out?” Shasta asked. ”We won't hurt you”, Nerwen said, her fingers crossed. There was no answer. ”Or maybe we could just leave her there and let her starve?” Mith asked desperately. ”I think your first suggestion was better”, said Shasta and kicked the door. Nerwen and Mith followed his example. For an hour or so, they were kicking the bathroom door, trying to break it. When it finally gave way, they found an unmoving elf on the floor. ”Naria? Is it you?” Nerwen asked. ”She's dead”, Mith said in a hollow voice, ”and I don't think she looks like a dead balrog.” At that moment, they heard an unbearably loud noise and the roof of the bathroom collapsed. They were blinded by the dust and a bright, unnaturally green light. A big metal hand reached from the roof and picked Naria up. Various beeps and cracks followed. ”Noooooooo! You can't take me!” Naria screamed, definitely alive. The more she screamed, the redder she got, until she was glowing like a firebrand and a great shadow shaped like wings was around her. But she did not get away, however hard she tried. The metal hand took her and put her inside a cabin with white walls. Then a door closed and Shasta, Nerwen and Mith could see Naria no more. From the hole on the roof they could see a big, shining saucer-like shape disappearing to the blue sky. ~~ Dead Thinlómien (mod)* - killed by a wingless balrog on Night1 Rikae (ordo) - ate too many cobblers on Day1 Volo (Maeglin the Cobbler Lover) - dropped by a winged balrog on Night2 Lhunardawen (ordo) - committed suicide by smashing her own head on Day2 Macalaure (The Balrog with Swing) - left after being insulted by his low-class fans on Day2 The Might (Eärendil the Seer) - became the miners' shining star on Night3 satansaloser2005 (ordo) - landed face down on Day3 Gil-Galad (Glorfindel the Hunter) – died in a duel on Night4 Brinniel (The Balrog with Bling) – died in a duel on Night4 Kath (Idril the Ordinary Lover) - involuntarily ate poison mushrooms on Day4 Legate of Amon Lanc (Tuor the Ranger Lover) - voluntarily ate poison mushrooms on Day4 Nogrod (ordo) - roasted and eaten for breakfast on Night5 Naria (The Balrog who Sings) – taken by a big metal hand on Day5 Living Mithalwen (ordo) Nerwen (ordo) Shastanis Althreduin (ordo) VILLAGE WINS. BALROGS LOSE. LOVERS LOSE. Congratulations villagers! I will write a final narration that tells the final fates of those who survived. I hopefully manage to do it tomorrow, but other than that, the game has ended. Thanks to everyone for playing, it was a hilarious game! Everyone of you, living, dead or stalker, are welcome to discuss now. __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

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11-20-2007, 01:15 PM	#1
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Ugh. We're down a Ranger, and it's all my fault. Please come back, Mith, I'm sure nothing bad was meant by anything anyone said. Edit: And that's kinda not cool, Lommy, referring to the Balrog who Sings as a "he", when I'm the only "he" left alive. :P

11-20-2007, 01:20 PM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Shasta thank you! You have decided me on so many things. If you were a balrog you wouldn't want me to play. I think Nerwen innocent and if she isn't I can deal with losing to such a bravura performance. To get the right kill we have to get the 2 votes for our choice first? What do you say for voting Naria now and finishing this? __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

11-20-2007, 04:38 PM	#4
Shastanis Althreduin Werewolf Psychic Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In fire, water, earth, and air. But mostly water. Posts: 2,832	Naria... Nerwen... Naria... Nerwen... Hm. I can't make up my mind. I'll read a bit and vote later.

11-21-2007, 07:42 AM	#8
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Okay, that's decided me. And apart from everything else, I couldn't bear losing to Naria. At least you've contributed, Mith. And if you're the balrog, you're taking the trouble to put up a good show of innocence. All she's done is turn up now and then and fire off (apparently) random accusations. ++Naria

11-21-2007, 08:02 AM	#9
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Memo to self: Next time, lynch the enigmas as soon as possible.