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William Cloud Hicklin · 11-26-2007, 12:53 PM

StW:
They're doing both- they are satisfying a perceived market need. Certain Tolkien fans get the pictures for less, and H/C makes money. Win-win.

No business is in it for charity- but that doesn't mean that they're not offering value for money. Consumer choice is a good thing.

Sauron the White · 11-26-2007, 03:14 PM

I do understand your point William although I fall more on the cynical side of this question while you seem to fall on the optimistic side. Perhaps all I wanted was for the publishers to follow through on their own precedent set with the COH calendar for 2008 in which they did include some new illustrations which were not in the book. Four new SIL paintings would have put a smile upon my face and make the fifteen dollars a lot easier to part with.

davem · 11-26-2007, 03:44 PM

StW. I think you're missing the point - they could sell the last two Alan Lee calendars: LotR on the strength of the movies & the Sketchbook, & CoH on the strength of the movies & the book. They won't bring out a Hobbit themed calendar till the Hobbit movie makes an appearance - so that leaves them to come up with an economic (ie cheap) fill in - & there's all those nice Naismith paintings available......

Personally I would have loved them to have commissioned Alan Lee to produce a Smith of Wooton Major calendar, but with Tolkien out of the limelight at the moment (no movie or new book) HC are not going to bother spending unnecessary money.

(Plus, the paintings will be reproduced in a larger size than in the book)

Sauron the White · 11-26-2007, 04:13 PM

davem .. yes I will appreciate the fact that the Naismith paintings are twice or or more from the book... and that is a good thing.

And I do get the point. Always have. The point here is the precious bottom line. You put it well here

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HC are not going to bother spending unnecessary money.

But I still would have liked four new Naismith illustrations.

davem · 11-26-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sauron the White

davem .. yes I will appreciate the fact that the Naismith paintings are twice or or more from the book... and that is a good thing.
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Yes, but fans like to collect - I have half a dozen editions of LotR (the HM & HC 50th anniversary deluxe eds, the HC 3 vol 50th anniversary text hardbacks, the Alan Lee illustrated HB, my original 3 vol PB A&U slipcased edition from '76 & a 1966 A&U first edition text 3 volume HB set) & Lal owns more (mostly PB editions which she likes to collect). I don't considemyself to have been 'ripped off' - in fact, I'll probably buy more, if I find any I like. Same with TH & The Sil. We've got the standard & de-luxe CoH, plus the audio book, & I'll probably buy the PB too next year. We've also got both the Naismith illustrated Sil's - the original with 24 plates & the subsequent edition with the extra 20 odd paintings. And we'll also get the calendar, purely because we like Tolkien stuff. It would have been nice to have some new paintings, but I'm not getting het up about it.

(btw, we own 3 complete sets of HoM-e - 2 paperback sets, one upstairs, one down, & my slipcased 3 volume HB set).

Sauron the White · 11-26-2007, 06:19 PM

davem ... I must join you in pleading guilty to owning multiple editions of many JRRT books. In my case, it goes back to first US editions of both THE HOBBIT and all three LOTR and then it only gets worse.

During the 1960's, at the height of all the political unrest, there was a saying - "you are either part of the solution or part of the problem". If indeed the Tolkien Estate and its designated publishers are kept in pools of money because of constant reissues of the same material, then I am afraid that you and I - and I would guess many others here - are indeed part of the problem.

I guess the first step is admitting you have a problem. I know I do. I just like a bit of new to help me rationalize it from time to time.

davem · 12-08-2007, 05:32 PM

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ayphotohosting

Offered at $2,750 ....

Of course, its still available from the Harper Collins site for £350.....

On the book itself, having seen the pictures on the page I have to say I'm glad I didn't bother - just doesn't seem all that 'special' really.

11-26-2007, 12:53 PM	#1
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	StW: They're doing both- they are satisfying a perceived market need. Certain Tolkien fans get the pictures for less, and H/C makes money. Win-win. No business is in it for charity- but that doesn't mean that they're not offering value for money. Consumer choice is a good thing. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

11-26-2007, 03:44 PM	#3
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	StW. I think you're missing the point - they could sell the last two Alan Lee calendars: LotR on the strength of the movies & the Sketchbook, & CoH on the strength of the movies & the book. They won't bring out a Hobbit themed calendar till the Hobbit movie makes an appearance - so that leaves them to come up with an economic (ie cheap) fill in - & there's all those nice Naismith paintings available...... Personally I would have loved them to have commissioned Alan Lee to produce a Smith of Wooton Major calendar, but with Tolkien out of the limelight at the moment (no movie or new book) HC are not going to bother spending unnecessary money. (Plus, the paintings will be reproduced in a larger size than in the book) __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."

12-08-2007, 05:32 PM	#7
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ayphotohosting Offered at $2,750 .... Of course, its still available from the Harper Collins site for £350..... On the book itself, having seen the pictures on the page I have to say I'm glad I didn't bother - just doesn't seem all that 'special' really. __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."

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11-26-2007, 03:14 PM	#2
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	I do understand your point William although I fall more on the cynical side of this question while you seem to fall on the optimistic side. Perhaps all I wanted was for the publishers to follow through on their own precedent set with the COH calendar for 2008 in which they did include some new illustrations which were not in the book. Four new SIL paintings would have put a smile upon my face and make the fifteen dollars a lot easier to part with.

11-26-2007, 06:19 PM	#6
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	davem ... I must join you in pleading guilty to owning multiple editions of many JRRT books. In my case, it goes back to first US editions of both THE HOBBIT and all three LOTR and then it only gets worse. During the 1960's, at the height of all the political unrest, there was a saying - "you are either part of the solution or part of the problem". If indeed the Tolkien Estate and its designated publishers are kept in pools of money because of constant reissues of the same material, then I am afraid that you and I - and I would guess many others here - are indeed part of the problem. I guess the first step is admitting you have a problem. I know I do. I just like a bit of new to help me rationalize it from time to time.