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Shady She-Penguin
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: In a far land beyond the Sea
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I don't really know what to think of this sudden outpour of Brinniel's, so maybe I try not to think about it all...
Somehow, I don't like the fact that Legate is so sure of my innocence. It makes me feel like he had realised I tend to trust those who trust me and is using it to achieve his own ends. Or something like that. The point is, it makes him feel slightly suspicious to me. This might be a bit ridiculous point, but I think Little G's way of using the -smiley is very wolvish. I really can't explain it, but somehow it always makes me shiver when she uses it. I think she uses it in a slightly apologetic way or to emphasise she's no threat to anyone.Quote:
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Speaking of him, I find the beginning of his post #193 somewhat suspicious. I can't put my finger on it, but the way he speculates sounds somewhat wrong to me. If morm proves to be a wolf, I'd have a second look at Volo. Anyway, I also agree with what Volo says about Green and morm. They do look like wolf partners, to some extent at least. Quote:
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I think you seem a bit more innocent than guilty, but I'm definitely not sure, you tend to be such an enigma...As to who I might vote toDay, I would feel the safest with voting Green. I suspect her quite a lot. I could vote morm too but this morm-Valier -thing seems to be all too complicated and messy and I really should think more about it before voting morm. If I don't have time to think more about it, I don't think I will vote him, unless I should choose between him and someone I consider far more innocentish. I could vote Sally or TM too, but I'd prefer voting Greenie (or morm, if I reach the conclusion he does seem guilty). EDIT: xed with morm and Miggy
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Guard of the Citadel
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Oxon
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He said he trusts you in #153, and yet in #187 when you made the list of people you see him as one of the innocents. Why is it that he trusting became suspicious now and not earlier? Does it have anything to do with me feeling bad about both of you? Now, I'm not sure, but after this post my suspicion of you seems to make more sense.
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Ghost Prince of Cardolan
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid
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Following recent comments (and a couple of votes), I've gone to look at everything Volo has said and now return to present my conclusions.
Volo mentions suspicion of two people: Legate and Valier. Legate just seems thrown in there with little reason other than "he's too friendly," and mild suspicion of him is discussed. His reasons for Valier-voting are mainly simple agreement with what has been said, which does sound strange. Now, his behavior on Day 2 is very odd. He rapidly changes his position on Valier's death, but leaves the focus on what the implications for morm might be. However, he seems to leave out the fact that he may also be implicated in her death. We may have a wolf here, but with the emphasis on "may." If morm is a wolf, Volo probably isn't, as two wolves voting for Valier would be unlikely given last night's events. For the moment I'll just be watching Volo carefully.
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First of all, I'm still unfomfortable with Lommy. I can't quite put a finger on it. There's something about her overly cheerful and helpful manner I find suspicious.
Secondly, after reading carefully through the entire thread, I found Menel's continuous joking about not being eaten disturbing. Also, it seems to me that he's been overly careful in voicing his opinions. I find him quite suspicious. Volo is troubling me greatly at the moment. Though his latest post explained a little, there is definitely something there I don't like. Just a gut-feeling, probably. So. Votes this far (if I'm not mistaken): morm - 1 Volo - 2 Greenie - 1 morm, like I've said before, strikes me as innocent. Volo is suspicious, but I'd be reluctant to vote for him because I don't have valid arguments against him. Therefore, my vote today will most probably be Menel. (Or Lommy, if she convinces me of her guilt before the deadline.) I'm ready to go for Volo as well if there is a great possibility of a double-lynch that my voting for Volo would prevent.
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The only thing here than makes me suspect you less is than you're a newbie, but Wolves frequently vote eachother, otherwise finding them would be much easier as we would know outright who can't be a Wolf after we find who was a Wolf. Since morm was in no real danger of being lynched, it was safe to vote him to cover tracks. And if he is in real danger of being lynched, it's easy to hide among the votes as your vote can't save him anyway. (Umm... Why am I explaining these things anyway... I find you suspicious and if you're a Wolf you probably understand it anyway.)Quote:
But I am not going to vote you or Legate toDay. I'm very sure that tomorrow will make these things much clearer. And another note about Lommy & Legate: Even if I'm wrong in trusting them, I find it extremely improbable that both of them are Wolves, there is too much agreement between them, even if their lists aren't completely alike. And since there is no Cobbler in this game, I'm sure than at least one of them does deserve our trust. I'll leave this at this and move to look into Kath's, Brinniel's and Mac's (Since you asked for it... ) souls or something like that.
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My apologies, but it's going to have to be an early vote again. My suspicions remain the same as they did earlier, and for the same reasons, but I do want to mention that my suspicion of Brinniel has increased after the deluge of posts she made earlier. It's reminiscent of a wolvish tactic I once used so it worries me. However, my main suspicion remains with:
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Fading Fëanorion
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: into the flood again
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I finished reading properly until my first post today. Here's what I found so far.
This still seems staged for me: Lommy carefully accuses morm to have killed Valier, then he mocks it. Then Lommy continues along the lines of a frame. Then both slowly back down from their mutual suspicion. If Lommy and morm are wolves, this would make sense to me. They feared Valier was the seer, and now they try to keep people away from going after morm by making it clear, by a weak case and ridicule, that morm is no wolf and is being framed by them. I might be over-interpreting, but this is how it appears to me. By the way, if morm is evil, it's not a double-bluff: it's a semi-double-bluff, because in the first place he would have expected to sacrifice himself over a killed seer who dreamt of him, and is now using plan B.Aganzir and Lily (*is inspired by Fea's Lil*) talk about the loud/silent arguments of Valier in the beginning. I find this suspicious as it's too obvious this had nothing to do with her death. Farael is a little too aggressive for my liking, but that's him. He feels genuine, though. A lot of people quickly took up his suspicion of Rikae. These reactions are worth examining tomorrow, when we know her role. Quote:
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Shady She-Penguin
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: In a far land beyond the Sea
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Sally's post #218 is something all too wolvish. I mean, if she knew she herself was innocent, she wouldn't surely speculate that way.
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![]() Lastly, a few words about Little Green. She seems like a class example of a newbie wolf. She goes along with the popular suspects and sticks to the one suspicion she's had during all the game. She also seems to pretend no one suspects her at all and doesn't react at all to the accusations against her. That's exactly what I did in my second game ever when I was evil. It is a very common wolvish mistake, one that especially inexperienced wolves tend to do. So (Aganzir, you may gasp now, since you've been waiting for this ), Little Green, I give you a piece of advice, if you're innocent, start defending yourself against the false accusations. You're one of my top suspects right now and I will most probably vote you. You're doing no good to my opinion of you by discounting all the accusations towards you. I give you a chance to make me change my opinion of you: defend yourself in a credible manner and if I'm convinced, I will refrain from voting you (at least toDay). A credible defense may change other people's views of you as well.EDIT: xed with Mac
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A Voice That Gainsayeth
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: In that far land beyond the Sea
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Alright, some views on the current situation.
I see many people speak about Lilla Greenhand here as being suspicious. Well, for myself I can say she seemed more or less genuine to me at the beginning and that this image is beginning to dissolve slowly, as I said before. The opinions she holds in her #223 could make me suspect her more: given her overall behavior, she seems to follow certain long-time suspects, and she holds to them whatever the case. Also, she seems to defend morm, which, in the case he were a were a were a were wolf (sorry, that was the keyboard), could point to her as a pack-mate, and vice versa. But the main thing are the long-time suspects, as I said - bite and hold, maybe once the bit of flesh will fall off. That moves her to the orange zone for me. However, what strikes me as terribly wolfish was Sally's post: Quote:
I simply don't get this comment. I said before what I thought about her posting, and I tried to be reserved because I had problems with not being suspicious on her because of her style even if she were innocent. But I cannot resist now and switch her into the red alert zone. Unless there appears another candidate in my red zone, or unless there is any voting crisis and threat upon someone whom I consider innocent, I'll probably vote her toDay. EDIT: x-ed with Lommy
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Woman of Secret Shadow
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells
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So many players could be called under-the-radar flyers. Not that they aren't noticed, but they are not discussed. Probably that's good for now as this large number of players is taking a toll on me, I really wouldn't want to participate in the game I modded
.Kath leaves me completely baffled. And the problem is that she seemes to leave pretty much everybody else baffled as well, even Fea. Mac would appear the only one suspecting her. I don't remember an Innocent Kath doing that, at the very least she has been suspicious. Since it is the case, I hope to see more of her in the Days to come.Brinniel: Quote:
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Fading Fëanorion
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: into the flood again
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My main suspects right now are Lommy, Sally, A Little Green, mormegil, Aganzir, Legate, The Might, in more or less that order. They're followed by the only slightly suspicious Kath, Menel, Shasta, Brinn, and Volo. Only Fea, Farael, and Kuru feel really innocent to me at the moment.
Sally -> morm Farael -> Rikae Shasta -> Volo morm -> Volo (Volo 2, morm 1) Fea -> Lily (Volo 2, morm 1, Lily 1) Kath -> Lily (Volo 2, Lily 2, morm 1) Aganzir -> Lily (Lily 3, Volo 2, morm 1) I'm torn between thinking Lily suspicious and genuine. I'd be ready to give her the benefit of doubt for one more day, because she's a newbie. I don't know what to do with Volo, but I'm not convinced of his guilt. I'd prefer to keep him around for the moment. Sally's behavior casts some doubt on the guilt of mormegil. I have a feeling I won't get any support for a lynching of Lommy. I think I will either vote for A Little Green or for Sally. (edit: crossed with Lily and Farael) |
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Day2
Valier Furryfoot’s death was a hard hit to the hobbits, not the least to the other elders who had learned to like her so much during the years and who had learned to appreciate her hunches in all the matters where hunches were needed. It was clear that the Shire had lost someone they could have trusted to help them out of the trouble. But the way she was killed was plain repulsive. That seemed to feel even worse at the moment. No one had any desire for a breakfast that morning – and talking of hobbits that’s a serious matter indeed.
Most of them felt they needed a pint of strong porter from Tuckborough to cope with the situation and only a few of the youngsters settled with the local Green Dragon ale – which some called “Water-Ale” as it was light and it was made from the waters of the river Water running by - that was usually consumed by everyone around these corners. Happily at the time of the second breakfast everyone had regained their appetite and thus they took back all that they had lost by withdrawing from the first one. And the talk was getting even more lively than the Day before. Although there seemed to be less joking toDay as the faces around the tables were quite grim. Now Vallen’s death did bring forwards the question as to why she had been picked by the werewolves. Lommy Baggins did formulate the preliminary question as to whether the old Harrybelly was to blame or not. From that on almost every possible option imaginable – and unimaginable - were brought forwards. The most stylishly it was made by Mac Sandyman who formulated his comments on the matter in the style of the famous Lake Town philosopher Ludovic Witsendzone. The hobbit logic has not been both revered as original ME wisdom and scorned as mere futile exercise of rural witticism by the more philophically cultivated cultures of the Middle-Earth for no reason. Even if the hobbits lack the finessé and eloquence of the cognoscenti and the sophists of Gondor they are widely known to be able to argue black into white and vice versa. And that was indeed going on at the Green Dragon on this Day! And it did take almost the whole Day. But the further the sun crept over the sky the lengthier the speeches became. After pretty exhaustive recitations of Lommy Baggins, Legate Sackville-Baggins, Fea Belladonna and Farael Twofoot on the matter of Vallen’s death and the possible guilt of the old Harrybelly Brinn Burrows managed to top them all starting a minute analysis of all the hobbits present. With half of the hobbits fast asleep after three hours of speculation Rikae Took finally jumped up and banged her pint to the table so that everyone would hear her. All hobbits except the old Kuru Shrewthwacker did wake up. “I will leave now and go for any help that could be obtained. I think this is a bit too big thing for us to cope alone. And think if this spreads in case we lose this fight? We Tooks have always seen the bigger picture and anyone who dares to suspect my motives will have to settle it with me personally. Even if I’m a woman I’m a Took and not afraid of anyone of you here. In the meantime you should do well to look closely at the Baggins and this honey-tongued Sandyman... That’s my last word to you fellow hobbits. I’m off now!” “Now what shall I do? I already voted for her and she just thinks she can walk away like that! Are you trying to slip away from our verdict?” Farael Twofoot protested loudly as the doors swang after the Took. “Cool down Twofoot, if she’s innocent she’s on a good mission and if she’s a baddie, well there’s one less of them.” Brinn Burrows calmed Farael and after that the Twofoot was quiet for a long time. ~*~ After the Took’s leave the discussion slowly concentrated on the wolfhunt itself. It seemed that Volo "Justy" Proudfoot, Lilla Greenhand and Sally Shortbrush were sharing the suspicions alongside Morm Harrybelly even though less and less was talked about the gaffer. This Day the tables disagreed within themselves unlike Day1 when basically all of the adult-table voted for Nerwen. Something had changed. In the end it was quite clear Lilla Greenhand was gaining the votes. And after some preliminary disagreement she did so by a large margin. ~*~ The votes were counted and an uneasy silence befell over the Green Dragon. “Now Greenie, what do you have to say? It would be the most convenient if you... well you know what I mean. No hobbit has ever... and so forth. You know.” Said Fea Belladonna Briarpatch a bit embarrassedly. “Nerwen did a brave thing I’d say... so...” continued Kath Woodyend not daring to look at Lilla Greenhand in the eye. “I’m not going to commit a suicide for you to keep your consciences clean. If you so much want blood you have to draw it yourselves!” Greenie said silently standing up and looking at the hobbits around the inn challengingly and dispassionately. All those who had not been in favour of lynching the Greenhand stayed quiet looking nervously at their feet not sure of how to react to the situation. The Greenie -voters looked at each other somewhat insecurely not quite sure whether they’d have to actually do something. Finally Agan Sackville-Baggins broke in. “She’s not a hobbit I say!” she yelled furiously. “No she isn’t, she’s a werewolf! Remember how these foul creatures handled poor Boffin and Furryfoot! I say revenge!” called Volo Proudfoot even more loudly. “I say death!” yelled Brinn Burrows. “Let’s see this werewolf into her grave!” bellowed Mac Sandyman and threw an empty tankard straight to her forehead. Blood was spilling from Greenie's eyebrow but she remained stern and quiet for a while. Everyone was waiting. “Do your worst but you will have to do it yourselves.” she said calmly. "And who knows who is right and who is wrong in the end?" The Greenie -voters looked at each other once again and then like from a common consent they ran over her together grasping whatever weapon; a mug, a coalrake, a fork, a chair with them. The rest were looking at the spectacle in horror. There it was, a hobbit after another hobbit. A scene never seen before in the Shire. It filled them with horror. Lilla Greenhand stood straight an empty look in her face when the blows started to fall. Lommy Baggins hit her with a candlestick straight to the face and the Might of Greenholm kicked her to the stomach with all his might. Then there followed a rake here, a mug there and a fork in her eye. But the blow of the Volo's chair finally got her into her knees and the subsequent blows by the rest fell her down. There was an unseen frenzy in those batting and hammering her that the onlookers at their tables were restlessy trying to avoid looking. There was blood all over the Green Dragon’s floor when the beaters finally got enough of it and started to come back to their senses. Lilla Green’s body was a mess, an emergingly reddish pile of flesh torn apart by the blows she had received. Then the silence of the Inn suddenly started to fill in with a hiss. It was low at first but then it broke loose with might. The hobbits tried to cover their ears but it was useless. Slowly the pile o' bones formerly named Lilla Green turned into a swirling whirlwind that grew wider and stronger. Everyone tried to save themselves as they jumped out from the windows and packed the doorway. The whirlwind grew into a tornado and bursted the roof of the Green Dragon and even growing to a hurricane it broke the other end of the Inn down sending that half of the reserved celebration meals flying all around the Shire. Then at the height of it's might when all the hobbits were trying to hide behind trees or ditches and waited for an imminent death it suddenly just vanished with a hiss and a pop. Lilla Green, aka. the Breath was no more. The dead: Nogrod (mod) - Noggie Boffin - beheaded and played soccer with on Night1 Nerwen (ordo) - Nerwen Hornblower - jumped to the river not to force anyone to kill another hobbit on Day1 Valier (ordo) - Vallen FurryFoot - skinned, grilled and served as a breakfast on Night2 Rikae (ordo) – Rikae Took - left the Hobbitton to find aid from somewhere in the middle of Day2 A Little Green (the Breath) - Lilla Greenhand - beaten to death by the hobbits on Day2 The living: Thinlómien - Lommy Baggins Legate of Amon Lanc - Legate Sackville-Baggins Aganzir - Agan Sackville-Baggins Meneltarmacil - Lupo Furryface Volo - Justy Proudfoot Macalaure - Mac Sandyman The Might - Might of Greenholm Mormegil - Mormegil Harrybelly Feanor of the Peredhil - Belladonna Briarpatch Brinniel - Brinn Burrows Satansaloser2005 - Sally Shortbrush Farael – Farael Twofoot Kath – Kath Woodyend Shastanis Althreduin – Shasta of the River Kuruharan -Kuru Shrewthwacker Night3 begins. Wolves let me know your choice. The gifteds PM me your picks. Good Night everyone!
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