WW XXXX - The scouring of the Shire, vol.2

[Kuruharan]

While its good that multiple candidates are up on the chopper today...

Oh dear...

I don't like the way this is going.

With the best intentions in the world...we may end up hanging multiple people.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

While its good that multiple candidates are up on the chopper today...

Oh dear...

I don't like the way this is going.

With the best intentions in the world...we may end up hanging multiple people.

Kuru, this seems to be covered in false sincerity. To be fair, I am fairly convinced you are a wolf so my objectivity is out the window on it but it seems that way to me and I wanted to point this out to others who might be a bit more objective than I.

[Macalaure]

When Sally says something "on topic" it's sensible. I'd like to keep her.

Even though he is off and his arguments aren't too convincing, Menel still seems genuine to me on a second look.

morm is definitely too defensive, but that's all I can say against him.


I think Kuru's concern about the risks of a double lynching is way out of the reasonable. The village is still relatively large, and we're not that insane here. I think we can handle a fourth option:


++Volo

[Kuruharan]

I suggest we continue to look at Volo as I think many good and valid points are brought against him.

Morm lets hear some reasons come out of your own keyboard for a change.

Whatever else could be said about me, I've not been hiding behind the opinions of other people. I've been standing on my own, which is not a wise wolf tactic (since you seem to want to talk about that so much).

Or do you have a very good reason why the last thing you'd want to do is say something that could definitively be pegged to you?

Tell you what, I'm more than open to being persuaded to vote for Volo or Menel (who I admit is getting rather worrying).

Now's your chance.

[Kuruharan]

*makes a note that in post 366 Macalaure said a double-lynching isn't all that bad...and added another candidate*

Just for future reference in case we need it.

[Thinlómien]

So: a short introduction:

Fea, morm, Greenie and Sally have suspected and trusted each other in a very interesting pattern and I'd like to show it to you. You know my reasons to think Greenie and Sally and morm wolves, but I have not had this far a reason to suspect Fea. However, she would so well fit the wolvish triangle formed by those three previously mentioned, that I've changed my opinion of her.

Next, Greenie's comments on others, then morm's, then Fea's, then Sally's, then my conclusions and other comments.

[Thinlómien]

Greenie on morm
Day1
#103 "Aaaargh someone please enlighten me on what's so overly suspicious about morm? I reread his posts and found nothing too alarming there."
Well, to me that seems like she's really a bit annoyed (and maybe even panicky) because her fellow wolf is to be lynched on arguments she doesn't consider valid.
#190 " PLEASE, WHAT MAKES MORM SO SUSPICIOUS? [eek-smiley] I still don't
get it, despite the various arguments made on a connection between Valier's death and morm's guilt." Asks why I suudenly find morm suspicious. It looks like she's imitating Fea again and somehow I don't like it... also, her expression of feelings is a bit exaggerated which leads me to think there might be something between her and morm... As to her questioning me, it looks like she's trying to make me reconsider my suspicion of her fellow wolf... That could be over-interpreting, though.

Day2
#163 Asks Volo to explain something he had said about morm. I refrain myself from reading too much into that.

In short: I think I've missed a part of my post and she did say once again she said she believed morm innocent again but I'm too tired to look it up again right now. Anyway, she looks suspiciously much like defending a fellow wolf.


Greenie on Fea
Day1
#30 Replies to Fea's banter about soccer and curling. Now, this mightseem like a little thing, but it suggests she is comfortable enough around with Fea to reply her banter and what better a way for a newbie to get to know an old school player than Night1 wolf PMs? Greenie was pretty reserved on Day1 and this doesn't quite fit the pattern.
#41 Agrees with her on the impossibility of catching a wolf on Day1. I don't like it how she immediately adopts Fea's attitude. Do we see a newbie wolf imitating her more experienced companion's playing style?

In short: Well I think I really have lost a part of my post when continuously copypasting and saving it to different places... because I think she said something about Fea on Day2 as well, but I might have mistaken. Anyway, I don't like the way she feels os comfortable about Fea and imitates her.


Greenie on Sally
Day1
#72 As for the others, Nerwen and Sally both look pretty innocent at the moment. Well, could be anything. But somehow I wouldn't wonder if she had included a fellow wolf of hers in such a useless sentence.

In short: Looks like a wolf avoiding being connected with a fellow.

[Thinlómien]

Morm on Greenie
Day3
#316 Speculates on her comments about me and Volo. Could be anything.
#347 "DUH! It just hit me why Green attached herself to me. *hits himself for being so dim-witted* She knew she was a wolf and knew I am innocent, but it looked highly probable when she kept asking why I seem guilty that I would be lynched. What a better way to look good, though it does backfire occasionally, than to question why the main lynch suspect is well...the main lynch suspect when you know him to be innocent." Now that is probably the most fake-sounding comment there ever was in this game.
#369 Mentions her when accusing Volo. Well, a wolf would love to do that... but everybody uses dead wolves' comments so...

In short: He did not mention her once when she was alive! She was such a heated topic that I find this really suspicious.


Morm on Fea
Day1
#22 "The other two that are guilty are likely Kath and Fea as they usualy are guilty." Well, he could say that regardless of his and Fea's roles.
#60 "Anyway, it's good practice to lynch Fea on Day 1 as she generally only causes problems the later it goes. " Well, this hardly gives any clue of their roles or relations.
#95 "Kuru, me wanting to lynch Fea is akin to me wanting to lynch Kath...it's based on principle not reason." See above.

Day2
#145 "Fea, the problem is I feel it far more likely that the wolves didn't mention Valier much if at all. That is the general Modus Operandi of first night kills." Neutral stuff, obv.
#175 "Fea seems a bit more lost than normal." Now, I think it is notable how clearly he avoids saying anything serious about what she thinks of Fea and her possible guilt or innocence...
#215 "Fea I did read your posts because I do/did suspect you so I wanted to see more of what you said and based upon that I still suspect you a bit but you seem more sensible on the matter...which kind of scares me honestly [winking smiley]." Now where did that suspicion come from? Maybe because it'd look to bad if they trusted each other too much? And just look how he makes his suspicion such a little thing he needs not continue it later... Very fishy.

Day3
#364 Mentions her when talking about Menel's poor argumentation. Repeats he always suspects her. Doesn't tell anything.

In short: Could be anything. Thought there is something fishy here.


Morm on Sally
Day2
#145 "I don't understand Sally and her logic. -- In conclusion Sally,
Volo and Menel are the most likely wolves our of those seven." Now he
could well suspect a fellow wolf, couldn't he? Just like he could
suspect a fellow innocent or whatever.

Day3
#308 "Now Sally is rather confusing but I'm guessing she's an innocent trying to be silly and garner reactions...though likely unfruitful [grinning smiley]" Could be wolf-on-wolf -statement, could be somethign else.

In short: Looks like wolvishly distant. Though that conclusion could be reached when talking about morm and almost any other villager, too.

[Kuruharan]

I was actually looking more for reasons to vote for somebody else rather than morm defense. You didn’t really talk about reasons why to vote for other players.

Come now Kuru, I think it's hard to believe that I have not been outspoken.
Post 369

You’ve struck me as being stealthy.

I don't remember it coorelating with when he began to suspect me but let's be honest, we knew he wouldn't be here on day 2 and on day 1 there wasn't much to go on with him. So is it odd that on day 3 I suspect him based on more information that I have?

Well, it actually did, but in fairness I attacked with my first post of this Day.

I’m still open to other options.

Sally : While she has been decidedly strange…I’m not sure if she’s been wolfishly strange. She is definitely unpredictable and I think right now more of a liability than an asset…but I’m not sure I’m comfortable voting for her right now.

Menel : He’s been a bit wild, swinging from one opinion to the other. This could very well be a smokescreen. It’s certainly chaotic.

Volo : I’m having a hard time understanding why a wolf would vote for another wolf with their last vote before lynching. While it might be that A Little Green did it to throw us off the scent…I’m not comfortable voting for Volo today.

Lommy : I’ve felt better about her for the most part…but part of me just doesn’t trust her. I’m definitely going to be watching.

Whatever happens, I’ll try to work to prevent a double lynching as I think they are just bad. It is quite possible that we'd be wrong about both.

EDIT: Cross posted with Lommy's Walls o' Text.