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McCaber · 12-10-2007, 10:16 PM

Men go to the Halls of Mandos for a time, then to their ultimate fate. Only Eru Iluvatar knows what that is. Dwarves believe that they are sent to a special place within Mandos to help Aule rebuild the world. I would guess that Hobbits share the doom of men, but I'm not sure about Ents.

Nazgûl-king · 12-11-2007, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by McCaber

Men go to the Halls of Mandos for a time, then to their ultimate fate. Only Eru Iluvatar knows what that is. Dwarves believe that they are sent to a special place within Mandos to help Aule rebuild the world. I would guess that Hobbits share the doom of men, but I'm not sure about Ents.

I agree with McCaber that the Hobbits probably share the fate of Men, and as for Ents perhaps they turn into regular trees. The Dwarves, as has been said above, believe that they have a special place in the Halls of Mandos, and are to help Aulë rebuild the world.

Groin Redbeard · 12-11-2007, 09:32 AM

Sounds good, thanks for answering smart people.

Eönwë · 12-11-2007, 10:09 AM

Hobbits are men, not just in sharing the same fate. They are part of the druedain, or pukel-men, like the ones that save the rohirrim i the return of the king (book). So they would go to Mandos, and then to Eru like the redt of men, and like the rest of Men (according to the lost tales) they would sing the new world (or Arda renewed as some here have called it) into being along with the Valar.

Also Eru did know that dwarves would be made. He allowed him to make them though not only because of free will, but because, as he puts it, every act done in or connected to middle earth "redounds in my [and its] glory".

I don't know if Ents do become trees actually, though, because Treebeard (the first and most faithful Ent) doesn't like the Huorns (which were once Ents), which shows that even the old Ents can stay Entish. I think that they just continue to live and be Ents until "the changing of the world" or even Dagor Dagorath.

12-11-2007, 09:32 AM	#3
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	Sounds good, thanks for answering smart people. __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

12-11-2007, 10:09 AM	#4
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Hobbits are men, not just in sharing the same fate. They are part of the druedain, or pukel-men, like the ones that save the rohirrim i the return of the king (book). So they would go to Mandos, and then to Eru like the redt of men, and like the rest of Men (according to the lost tales) they would sing the new world (or Arda renewed as some here have called it) into being along with the Valar. Also Eru did know that dwarves would be made. He allowed him to make them though not only because of free will, but because, as he puts it, every act done in or connected to middle earth "redounds in my [and its] glory". I don't know if Ents do become trees actually, though, because Treebeard (the first and most faithful Ent) doesn't like the Huorns (which were once Ents), which shows that even the old Ents can stay Entish. I think that they just continue to live and be Ents until "the changing of the world" or even Dagor Dagorath. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place Last edited by Eönwë; 12-11-2007 at 10:14 AM.

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12-10-2007, 10:16 PM	#1
McCaber Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Skyrim, again. Posts: 820	Men go to the Halls of Mandos for a time, then to their ultimate fate. Only Eru Iluvatar knows what that is. Dwarves believe that they are sent to a special place within Mandos to help Aule rebuild the world. I would guess that Hobbits share the doom of men, but I'm not sure about Ents.