WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[Nogrod]

It's nice to see one's own thoughts explained by helpful fellow-villagers... (that said clearly enough, Boro?)

But yes, Boro is about right with his last point about my preferences with lynchings. Loud people leave a lot of tracks and trying to pin down a wolf by the tracks they leave is much more fun and interesting than blindly quessing on someone who either doesn't post or only throws in oneliners trying to go with the flow.

Well, tp promised to deal blows to those who don't contribute to the game so we can possibly forget those who do not post at all at least for a while. If phantom keeps his word it would seem that no wolf can get through this game by just hiding in the shadows.

But that also means that every innocent must come forwards and speak as every innocent we lose because of modfire is just waste. Staying quiet innocents only help the wolves.

EDIT: X'd with Legate (nice sig!)

[Boromir88]

Just some little observations than I am off to work...

(that said clearly enough, Boro?) ~Nogrod

crystal

Kath is not striking me as the soothing, fresh-of-breath-air Kath type...

Nerwen, well I know she's naturally loud but she seems unnaturally jumpy at the moment. When she screamed at whoever it was to come back because they'd made a comment about the Seer possibly being the cursed, which they actually hadn't. I know that she hasn't played with a cursed before (well I say I know, I'm pretty sure) but the wording in tp's early posts seemed pretty clear. Could have been a sudden 'what the-' reaction but it seems over the top.

It's one thing to be flip-floppy like Lommy and go back and forth...it took me a while to get used to the typical Lommyish style as it always just look so dang suspicious. But really Kath you accuse Nerwen, then defend her in the same paragraph....hmmm...Nerwen's jumpiness isn't as odd as the "person = suspicious because of the cursed villager comment, but said person hasn't been in a village with a cursed, so said person may be confused." It's not even flip-flopping it's an "I'm suspicious, but oh you may be confused" stance...far worse than flip-flopping

Morm's throwing me off a bit as he's not his bloodthirsty self...hmmm...he's usually calling for lots of death, but now I'm seeing a conservative morm that is admitting he's throwing out 'weak' suspicions.

++Kath

[Farael]

Cross-posted with Boromir himself

I won't quote his post as it's right above mine (or should be anyway) so basically, let's put it this way

Could anyone tell me why he's voting for Kath?

Yes, he expresses some suspicion but... he even mentions Morm right before voting for someone else.

I know, we have retractable votes but come on... Plus, I still don't understand what he means on his accusation of Kath (but being it 5 20 AM at this end of the planet, that may just be 'cos I'm tired)

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Hello all. I thought I'd come in among you for a while to see what's what, measure your statistics, and such. Digging is hard work and it might have been useful to see if anyone needed a larger grave. I see it is not especially so: you all appear to be malnourished wraiths as it is. But seeing as that none of you have any family here, I can't imagine anyone being bothered if I just threw you all into the same big pit.

As for these wolves, I don't see why they would have to do anything in this village. There's far too many loudmouths out their to tie themselves in knots and lynch themselves for the sake of their own voices and arguments. It's a short point but I think it's worth saying, especially on the first day when, by rights, there's no information and just the vain opinions of theorists. Bah! String them up for spouting gibberish, not for lycanthropy.

And keep your animals out of my graveyard. It's a right nuisance.

*grumbles*

[Nogrod]

Alright then. Time to try and say something.

Not posted this far: Aganzir, Azaelia, Eomer, Spm. The Day is long and there's all the Christmas stuff around. I'm not worried as yet but I would hope them to come forwards at some point as losing them - or any one of them - as innocents would be a severe blow indeed.

Now Isabellkaya and The Might have posted only once and there has been basically nothing in there. Valier has posted twice with as little substance. If we would have to vote now I'd prefer choosing one of them. But as said there's plenty of time still so I'm ready and willing to wait for them to post more and actually say something.

Of the rest I'd say the following. (I know it's early to make lists but as I'm going to be away for a considerable time pretty soon I think I need to come forwards with my thoughts now even if they are based only on the few posts made this far.)

Suspicious:
Macalaure
Shasta

Some reasons to suspect / some reasons to trust:
Nerwen
Boro
Kath
Farael

Leaning towards innocence:
Legate
Rikae
morm

I'll try to elaborate these in a short time.

[Nogrod]

Mac and Shasta then.

Mac's bogus post on me is the only one he's made. And it looks pretty wolvish to me. Add to it Shasta's follow-up and later trying to withdraw from it. It wouldn't be impossible they both are wolves who tried to put the ball rolling.

Originally Posted by Mac on me

rubs me slightly the wrong way

There's little point in discussing them now. I know we yet don't have a lot else to talk about, but still.

You raise my eyebrow there.

this really fits the "passively encouraging the village to discuss nonsense while appearing to be no part of that discussion"-cliché

When a player says that someone "rubs them the wrong way" or that s/he "doesn't sit right" with her/him - or that they "raise the eyebrow" - but will not bring forwards anything more solid I'm smelling a rat. Why? Because everyone has hunches and feelings but a villager seldomly tries to build up general distrust just based on a hunch with nothing to support it. An innocent villager normally stands up for her/his case when s/he has something. With the wolves it's different as they have no actual case or any real suspicion as they are trying to get an innocent to the gallows.

They also sneak their attitudes in. Mac agrees there was little else to talk at the beginning... and then he goes adding: "but still". "But still" what? Someone with good intentions wouldn’t try to cast a shadow on someone in that way.

They also love to stick with anything that can be misrepresented. I was not wishing to discuss nonsense but answered Legate quite definitively. I also tried Legate to see what he would answer to my suggestion of wishing to listen if he had reasons. (Sidenote: I must say I'm pretty baffled with Legate’s response. In a way his quick rejection of the subject feels sincere but then again his confidence in my judgement feels a bit strange as well).

Generally it makes me wonder why such a bright player like Mac had nothing to say at that point of the game but to bring forwards all this "out of thin air nothing" about my posts. I mean yes I might be mistaken as when some people just jump on you with this kind of nonsense you tend to feel they are wolves trying to get you. But at this point it's my best explanation to Mac's behaviour.

Shasta has an air of forced lightness in his posting, playing with the names included. Like Rikae pointed out he seems "overeager to participate and rather nervous". Also it looks like he's all the time throwing whimsy suspicions left and right and reacting to even smallest things and backing away constantly to fit the mood. It would fit my view of a Shasta-wolf perfectly.

~*~

Okay. These are what I think about them now and why I find them suspicious. I'd like to hear of Mac a bit more though before actually going on to vote for him. The same goes for Shasta. If Mac starts posting his normally helpful stuff I'd be happy not to vote for him and rather vote for someone who doesn't contribute.

That remains to be seen.

[Nogrod]

I'm in a hurry so I try to make this short...

So these are the people I'm pretty unsure about as there seems to be things that worry me and things that speak in their favour.

Nerwen: She's calm and makes good and valuable points, especially about the wolves (which could go either way). Her lightness of tone sounds not the most comfortable to my ear. If someone could be accused of trying to lead the discussion into the nonsense -area it would be Nerwen with her suggestion of the seer being possibly the cursed one.

Boro: Seems to be his normal and reasonable self and if innocent we shouldn't lose him. Then again his vote surprised me even if there are retractions and the reasons he gave are quite odd indeed.

Kath: Nothing to ring my alarm bells but my general fear of Kath and this time the way she addressed Shasta like a mate would. Although in this game the wolves can PM each other so why should she risk advising a fellow in the actual thread? I'm baffled.

Farael: He has been quite sensible this far and I tended to lean on trusting him but his conspiracy-theory on Boro just looks a bit too wild and fabricated to be taken seriously. But still he seems to insist he has an actual point which I find a bit worrysome.

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(OOC) I'll go now visiting Lommy and The Little green and then my mom. It may be I will overnight in my mom's place so it's possible I only get online before the deadline. I'll try to check in at some point though.

Keep up writing.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Nerwen's post #90 is a strange one.

She says that she is bugged about the way people are falling in to Mormegil and Mac's suspicions of Farael and Nogrod. But all that had happened is that Shasta wondered about Farael, and Rikae disputed Nogrod (as she said she always does). What was particularly worrying about this?

She also added something about how helpful she is being and how a wolf wanted to kill her in a previous village for being so helpful and clever. Seems to me like she's trying too hard to seem helpful and concerned about the state of the village.

[The Might]

Not so sure what to think about Nerwen right now...
On one hand, one could think that all this discussing other things like what kind of an alliance wolves could make or a crused seer is meant to keep us from actually accusing others.
Then there is the post about Shasta which has really go me thinking.

So: Shasta is either a very confused wolf that "forgot" that rule to make us think he is an innocent or then again this theory could be totally wrong.

However, if I had to vote right now, after reading through the thread, I would probably vote Shasta. That thing about the PMs somehow seems to be a good strategy to win the trust of the others early one and to later disappear from attention.

And as for Nerwen, I think that the posts show willingness to be helpful rather then the wish to lead the others on wrong tracks.

If I'm right about Shasta, then Kath seems suspicious as well, while Legate will probably be innocent.

For now, I'm not going to make any more theories, since I guess it still is too early to really see too many connections between different players, especially since a few have not posted at all. Normally I would suspect them even more, but given the fact that it is Christmas Eve I think they all have a good reason to miss.

Well, I'll be back later on this afternoon to see what has been posted and till then I'll be watching the sheep and decorating the tree.

[The Might]

Sorry for the double post, but I felt the need to add a bit after reading Eomer's last post.
I think Nerwen is making a good argument about not following a bandwagon immediately, but rather analysing the situation on your own first, since the wolves do have the possibilty to manipulate us with 4 of them running around.
And thinking back to last game I know very well what she means, I mean I totally fell for all that the wolves said and those that I suspected were always only innocents...well except one time.
So I still see this as a good warning rather then some strategy. I could of course be wrong...