WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Is there no modfire, or have I just managed to miss it being stated somewhere?

It's maybe a bit early to say this, as tp will deal a blow only after the second non-voting/non-contributing, but could these blows be of any help to figure out if a certain person is innocent or not? Just thinking aloud, as it's really no use speculating on that at the moment- as long as we don't know what those blows will be like. And not that I would recommend non-participating to anyone just that we'd find out if s/he's innocent.

Yes they would help us but not in the way you are thinking Agan. Phantom will not hesitate to quickly dispatch those who do not participate, guilty or innocent. Likely it would be an innocent (simply based on ratio) if Azalia were mod fired therefore we would be down an ordo. It is not a good idea to tempt the phantom in any way...*whispers* he's a megalomaniac with a short temper.

[the phantom]

You have four hours till Day 1 ends

[Rikae]

Nogrod, I think you have accused Mac and I of plotting together in every single game.
As for your reply to me on Legate, I still don't understand why you reacted as though I was advocating lynching him simply by voicing a small suspicion. Maybe you thought I was, but it seemed to me it should have been obvious what I was doing (and you know my playing style by now in any event.) That's why I felt you were quashing the mention of suspicious activities on Legate's part (who, incidentally, seems to have been forgotten by everyone.)

Well, now that the stockings are filled, I really should vote and go to bed. I'm making a list, checking it twice, gonna find out who's naughty or nice...and to me,

++Shasta

...looks most deserving of coal in his stocking toDay, for reasons stated earlier.
Frohe Weihnachten, everybody, and be good, for goodness' sake!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

The "reasons stated earlier" being that I'm more active in this game, due to suggestions by people last game that I be more active.


'Kay then.

In the interest of saving my own skin (I really am tired of being unjustly executed Day 1; last game was a wonderful break, thanks to EggNogrod, but still):

++Nerwen

[mormegil]

++Boro

I really do believe he is playing a rather bold game, it's when he's at his best, and I've seen him before do things like this and get away with it. He is in the top 3 to 5 most bold players. What he has said doesn't add up to me and is the one who sticks out to me the most at this point.

[Boromir88]

This is interesting...I was going to come on, pop in and vote. But with roughly 40 minutes left...

Aganzir
Azaelia
Eomer
Isabellyka
Legate
Nerwen
Shasta

still have yet to vote. That's far too many, maybe I should hold my vote to see what happens here at the end.

Edit: Wow my math is really bad...there's still over an hour

[Macalaure]

I made it back for a short while. I know my approach right now concentrates too much on one person, but I don't have the time to look closely at everybody (Valier and Aganzir leave a slightly suspect feeling, but that's nothing remotely solid) and Nogrod keeps on looking worse with every post.

It's funny that he keeps defending himself mostly against that "elite" players accusation most of all. At least for me, that's the most minor part of my reasons to suspect him. It's also the easiest thing to defend oneself from, because what he said about it long ago was vague: vague enough to suspect him and vague enough for him to weasle himself out of.

He doesn't touch the the more solid and interesting points, because he can't win defending himself against them.

Originally Posted by Nog

When he came in to the game there were almost twenty posts made and what he did was to concentrate his whole post on me - not even mentioning another name there.

I explained this was because none of the others seemed suspicious. This was one of the things you cut out when you quoted, and that is why this statement of yours:

Originally Posted by Nog

Yes I cut your post as I tried to reveal what your post was all about.

is clearly not the truth. You seeked to misrepresent what I said, and continue to do so still, so that it suits your defense/offense better and more conveniently.

Originally Posted by Nog

So it's much a do about nothing. In the meantime it's a post that tries to make me look bad, intentionally and calmly. That's where I smell the rat. In the intent which leads to fabricating a post to paint someone black out of thin air.

It was very little ado about very little. It was you who made it sound like a huge accusation. And as SPM said it, it looked like the reaction of a cornered wolf.

Originally Posted by Nog

I know I'm an easy target on Day1

Hang on, what?

Originally Posted by Nog

(once they bandwaggoned me in bright daylight and got me lynched)

Was that in the game you were turned into a Fenris?

Originally Posted by Nog

But I play this game to get involved. That's the game to me.

It sometimes demands some self-defence before going to sleep as I also like to play this game and do not wish to die on Day1.

To win the game as a wolf? Post once, at most twice a Day in the beginning. Do not say anything that is not approved by the majority. If you attack, take a victim who is easy to lynch (someone who involves her/himself and thence gets talked about). Always look you're nice towards most of the village as people are prone to vote for someone who has voiced a concern towardfs themselves...

Now this is plain ridiculous. Silent players win as silent wolves. Wordy players win as wordy wolves. Bold players win as bold wolves.

You know, nobody wants to be lynched and really nobody wants to be lynched on Day 1. But I've never seen an innocent try to escape it by simply trying to give everybody who might vote for him a bad conscience because they'd be lynching a player who soo easy to lynch, and soo involved, and soo unlike a (fabricated and unapplicable) stereotype of a wolf.


Please, all of you, there are still a lot of votes left, there have to be some who agree with me about Nogrod. He's clearly a wolf!

[Nerwen]

Kath is looking very wolvish to me. In my last post I said:

On that note, what about the possibility that Boro and Kath are both wolves?

–And she voted me in her very next post, saying it was because of my post about the "Cursed Seer" early in the game, and because she didn't like my explanation. Now, I think those are extremely flimsy reasons to vote someone on. It looks to me more like a reaction to what I'd just said.

I thought Kath was most likely innocent before this, and I was basically just throwing that idea out to see what people thought, but now... did I pick her by accident?

Then there's Valier, who also voted me, giving very weak reasons. I don't know what to make of her; she's hardly posted at all.

The whole Mac-Nogrod-Boro-Rikae-whoever-else-is-in-it business– I don't know what's going on there, except that there's a wolf or two in there somewhere... I think I'll just leave that alone.

Okay, so my top suspects are now Kath, Morm and Shasta, the last two for reasons which I've already stated.

Since I may not be back before the deadline, and since there are three votes against me already, I'm voting

++Shasta.

I've been warning about bandwagons all along, I know, and this could be one– but the other two who have voted him are the people I think are least likely to be wolves at the moment. And I think he's been acting too wolfishly to be ignored.

[Aganzir]

Nogrod 2 (Mac, Spm)
Nerwen 3 (Kath, Valier, Shasta)
Shasta 3 (Farael, Rikae, Nerwen)
Boro 1 (morm)
+ Boro voted and retracted on Kath

I think I'd be happy voting for Mac, but I'm not sure if it's wise to bring in yet another lynch candidate. At the moment it's Shasta who's leading, he recieved his third vote after Nerwen.

Of those who have some votes already, I'd prefer Shasta or Noggie. I have a feeling there's something evil going on there.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'm back!

A few words. Somehow, I am concerned by the current vote list. Unless I am mistaken, Nerwen is in the lead now. Well, personally I consider her behavior quite normal and the reasons to vote her are not quite well ("confused theories" from Kath, "references to other games" by Valier, some sort of self-defence from Shasta or what?). It is probably of no reason to split votes now. Yet funnily enough, I find all three of the votes for Nerwen quite strange and I would even prefer voting Kath or Valier over Shasta - but he is the only one who has some votes. Shasta is, as I said, behaving very odd, yet maybe this really is the new playing style. On the other hand, both the reasons of Kath and Valier are quite feeble.

Whatever, but I would probably like to focus my today's vote elsewhere to see how Shasta behaves in the future and if on Day 2 there are some more things to ponder.

A few words on Boro who appeared only after I left the last time. Going through his posts, he is reasonable player as I know he is, but there is this but. For example his speech about Nogrod based on Nog saying "us" makes no sense to me. This, in my opinion, is no reasoning and people do that normally. It could be taken as joke unless Boro continued his suspicion on Nogrod seriously in his post, thus this being one of the arguments.
I don't think Farael's argument about "pseudo-Seer behaviour" is applicable, but what I just say seems really wolfy to me.

I don't know if I'm going to vote for him, but he is quite high on my list.

These were the main things now. I will look at other things and choose my vote. Till later.

EDIT: x-ed with Boro, Nerwen and Mac

[Isabellkya]

Alright, the relatives are gone and I've a bit of time before I must sleep. So going over the posts thus far.. I've found a few things which just kinda jump out at me. I know people have voted by now.. so I'll just converse with myself. :P

I haven't played many games here with Shasta where he's lived long enough to get a read on his style. But I have played with him elsewhere many times. All in all, he seems to be taking a defensive stance against accusations of his possible wolfness due solely on his new (I guess) playing style here; in becoming more vocal upon requests from others in previous games. The majority of his posts are just fodder.. they don't seem to contain much of substance. He isn't on my suspect list yet; as I've heard tale of a previous game where he'd been a wolf and had been taking hints from his fellow wolf/wolves as what to say/do. I haven't see such things yet, and I would believe it would be pretty obvious if such things happened.

Nerwen on a whole bothers me just a bit. Her posts seem to be mainly about game mechanics, and agreeing with others. In one post, she even went as far as to say that she could be convinced to vote a particular way. At first it struck me as quite innocent, yet combined with her other posts; it was like a flashing radar light went off. I get the feel, that it could be her taking subtle hints from her wolfish pals.

To me Nogrod seems to be his usual self, especially in his attitude towards wanting to lynch the quieter players over the louder ones. Quite understandable.. and I think I've seen such comments in every single game I've played with him. Probably because he always targets me as one of the more quieter players, and it is hard to not notice.

Valier is another edging up to the top of the suspect list, as everything he's said; seems to be non-commital (unless I mis-read something.)

Macalure's insistance on lynching Nogrod is a bit worrying. Innocents have the freedom and luxury of debating and retracting votes when possible. Wolves however, when on a lynch-hunt don't have that.

So I shall vote, and would like to see if anyone else has anything to say before deadline.

++Nerwen


X'ed with Nerwen and Aganzir.