WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

...On the other, what if he did indeed make a lucky guess about Nogrod– and we lynch him for his pains?

I know it is possible, but his behaviour makes me think otherwise. And if they had this plot with Noggie, it was definitely a part of it to make us think Mac was just skilled and really caught a wolf.

And agh, I know I shouldn't be concentrating only on him. I'm leaving soon but when I'm back I guess I'm going to do some reading and try to come up with something about others, too.

[mormegil]

(I just got home and haven't read much since my last post...I work a graveyard shift Friday nights and I'm extremely tired so reading is pointless at this moment...hopefully I'm lucid now as I type...anyway I'm going to bed and will hopefully be back in time but if not)

++Nerwen

I really feel she is a wolf and feel I have made some fairly valid points against her. I don't have time or the sense right now to rehash those points.

I think it wise if somebody else have an objective look at The Might. I find him 'mighty' suspicious now and think an extra set of eyes would be helpful.

[Nerwen]

Boro, I've read Eomer's last post, and I don't get it. Maybe I'm dead from the neck up, as the man said, but I can't even see what it has to do with Mormegil at all.

Please. I really don't want to lynch him if he's innocent.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I'm not sure what Boromir's up to but it will be considered dangerous by his enemies, whoever they are. For now, I'm thinking he's probably innocent. I fear that he has limited time to explain himself so I urge him to do it soon as he can. I can't see what Mormegil has to do with anything I said about the Hunter or the Cursed or whoever.

[Boromir88]

Can you explain this a bit more clearly, Boro? I swear I'll take my vote back if you can convince me Morm is innocent.~Nerwen

The truth lies with the cradle crafter and the tree trimmer...can you tell I've recently watched National Treasure?

Ok, so onto Aganzir and the Might. I'm kind of mixed on Agan. On one hand I'm trusting the judgement of someone's who's judgement I trust more than my own, at the moment. Yet, I think he's said some very valuable, helpful, information thoughout the time here. Also, I'm not sold yet that there was a wolf in the Nogrod voters...if there was I would guess it would be Legate. As witness Nogrod's wolfish behaviors before, I can imagine sacrificing himself and telling buddy Legate to vote for him...casting a "crucial vote" against him. It was Agan who cast the go ahead vote, but there was a cross post and Legate says he was in the mindset that he was casting the deciding vote to put Nogrod into the lead.

What particularly makes me feel that Agan is innocent is just some helpful comments like this:

Has no one really considered the possibility that Boro was merely trying us with his vote? At least to me it seems quite possible.

At the time when several people were coming along saying my sudden vote for Kath was suspicious, he says that. I would have expected a wolf-Agan to jump right along and continue with it. Agan and I have been in several villages, and as he has seen, when there are retractable votes, I like to have fun with using them. I figure, they are there for us, might as well put them to good use and try to get some info out of 'em.

And what she said about Kath on Day 1:

Now this may be grasping at straws, but that "I'm not defending Mac" caught my eye. It just looks like she's trying to make sure that everybody realise she's not on the same side with Mac if one of them is lynched and revealed to be a wolf.

And Day 2 with regard to Mac:

This is not something an innocent says. If Mac thinks Noggie is a wolf, why on earth does he tell others to listen to him? He's saying "Even though I think Noggie is a wolf, I hope you others won't do that. Don't pay too much attention to my opinions, I can be wrong as well."
I can't put my finger on it any better, but it was something I didn't like even when I read it on Day 1. With Nogwolf dead, it makes me feel only worse about Mac.

I think Agan has reached the wrong conclusion about Mac, but I found that comment by Mac awkward as well, and it was a good spot on Agan's part. I take it as Mac made a statement that was just something he shouldn't have said...nevertheless it was still the statement of an innocent. It's just as hard to survive as an ordinary as it is a wolf. Everyone has to watch what they say, if an innocent for whatever reason, doesn't want to end up dead, he/she has to edit themselves...just as a wolf would.

So, on one hand, Agan looks like an innocent who has reached the wrong conclusion on another innocent. Yet, has been a helpful, willing to contribute person...who after all did cast a crucial vote against a known wolf. On the other hand, I can't shake the feeling that one of the deciding votes cast for Nogrod (either Agan or Legate) is that of a wolf, because of knowing how wolf-Nogrod likes to sacrifice his partners (or himself) to make another look good.

See, I told you Kath, this is what happens when I think too much. It was so much easier for me to be a stubborn pig headed lunatic...at least that way I could reach a decision. But I'm gaining more and more distrust with Nerwen.

edit: crossed with Nerwen and Eomer...and I'll get to the Might when I have more time...I have to go now.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

The truth lies with the cradle crafter and the tree trimmer...can you tell I've recently watched National Treasure?

Well, I've never watched it myself, so the answer's no.

I still don't get it what it is with Eomer's post... but there's something Morm said in his reply that makes me wonder. Only it doesn't prove anything.

Still–

--Mormegil.

I think I may have seriously misjudged him.

Damn. Now I have no idea who to vote for.

[Boromir88]

Ok, so now I have some time for TM...

Posts 86, 116, and 117 The Mighthas defended Nerwen. So, despite what Nerwen argues, The Might consistantly defended Nerwen on Day 1.

As far as I've seen Nerwen hasn't been so defending of The Might, but has made defenses for him. So, the question is would two wolves be this close and want to defend eachother so...well...closely?

Also, Nerwen's recent recanting of her vote for morm I think speaks to her favor, its going to put my stomach in a horrid knot if she dies and she's innocent. So, perhaps both are not wolves, but I would suggest if we ever reach a conclusion on Nerwen, to take a close look at The Might. Nerwen was a prime candidate on Day 1, so it's quite reasonable to say the wolves thought she would end up lynched. And a wolf-TM could come in and play the "I told you so card...didn't I tell you she was innocent?"

He didn't vote on Day 1, but I think his explanation is genuine. I also got confused with the voting hours. Although I believe it to be TM explaining what truthfully happened...that doesn't mean that wolves aren't honest. One of the most successfuly wolf tirades was pulled off by the phantom who did not tell a single lie the entire duration.

On Day 2, there's not much, he goes with the Valier accusations but casts a throw away vote for Eomer. Up to this point, TM has been playing cautiously. He defends a prime candidate on Day 1, doesn't name any real suspects and doesn't vote, on Day 2 he rouses suspicion against Val but votes Eomer instead. Were you nervous in having the blood of an innocent on you?

And his lone post today...#283, seems like Valier noticed about his first post on Day 2...just awkward:

SPM, you must of course also acknowledge that my vote for Eomer came at a very early point as I was unsure that I would be able to go online till the deadline, which as seen I was not.

I don't like the "you must of course also acknowledge" bit.

So...

++The Might

I trust two M's but not the M. I'm wary about Nerwen, wary that she's a wolf but has appealed to me, duped me, fooled me into thinking she's innocent. Or that she's truthfully an innocent and we're about to make a mistake. Nevertheless, if it becomes necessary, I will retract my vote for TM and vote for Nerwen.

[The Might]

Yes, I know I said that I would have more time on my hands, turns out I might have been rather wrong about that, at least as far today is concerned. Woke up just an hour ago and I have to be somewhere else in 45 minutes so I'll try to take a look at everything as quick as I can.

I still fell that Nerwen is innocent, it's simply the way she has posted so far that rather makes me think she is being targeted on purpose by the wolves.

Also, I dislike the way that my posts have been understood as a wolf helping another, but I actually thought that might happen.

Also, I'd like you to explain the last part of your post Boro.
What is it that you don't you like about that part?
The fact that SPM didn't mention when my vote was made?

For now my suspects are morm and Eomer.

As such I shall stick with my earlier suspicion and vote

++ Eomer
I'm off.

[Rikae]

I'm glad Mac clarified his suspicions of Aganzir. It actually does put my mind at ease, to some degree, about him, although I'm not quite convinced of Aganzir's guilt, either. One thing that does worry me about Aganzir is the whole "he's accusing me so I won't accuse him" thing. It sort of came out of nowhere, seemingly. I think it might be useful to test Mac's "hunch“ on Aganzir – he was, after all, right on Nogrod, and he actually is a highly skilled wolf-hunter. If he's mislead us, we have time to deal with him later.

I have to wonder about Farael at this point. All along I've been writing him off as the normal Farael, aggressive, controversial, etc. - but actually, he is bending over backwards to be uncontroversial. His posts invariably come on the heels of, and echo, another player's suspicions - sometimes echoing the choice of words as well. He did this with my wording that Shasta was "edgy"; he followed Nerwen's suspicions of Valier, and now he is doing the same thing with SPaM and Mac. Sure, he goes after suspects aggressively, as he usually does, but this time the suspects aren't his own. Maybe it's just Lommy's absence... Still, I don't like it at all.

It appears that Nerwen and The Might are going to be today's candidates, but I don't find either of the two particularly suspicious. I would prefer to give my vote to Farael, if it wouldn't mean that it would be completely wasted.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Farael concerns me too, Rikae. I've noticed that he's been too friendly for comfort, even with his 'conspiracy theorist' role. Unlike you, though, I would not be unhappy with voting for either Nerwen or The Might.

My opinion on Nerwen is still befuddled: on the one hand the killing of Shasta by her would have been unusually bold, but on the other she's been a bit too confrontational and dominant in the village debate.

The Might seems awfully creepy to me (but maybe I'm consciously making this so because of his votes for me). He doesn't show up much, doesn't say much, and votes for someone who hasn't received a single other vote -- probably to give himself an aura of originality.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Boro

So, on one hand, Agan looks like an innocent who has reached the wrong conclusion on another innocent. Yet, has been a helpful, willing to contribute person...who after all did cast a crucial vote against a known wolf. On the other hand, I can't shake the feeling that one of the deciding votes cast for Nogrod (either Agan or Legate) is that of a wolf, because of knowing how wolf-Nogrod likes to sacrifice his partners (or himself) to make another look good.

I would say if there was a wolf among the Nog voters, then it was Agan. All we saw points towards that and, that is not to be forgotten, Agan is a very, very clever wolf and the more innocent she looks, the more I am wary of her.

Anyway, I wanted to point out one thing, or rather remind us of it - even though I am currently inclined to believe there was indeed some sort of a plan, there is still the possibility that Nog's death was not planned and the wolves simply failed to save him. Because the Wolves can PM each other, but they can't do that in no time. They have to open PM box, write, send, the other has to be there and refresh the page to notice he has new PM, open it, read it, and then act or even reply once again. This way it could be even possible that both Boro and Eomer are wolves, for example - and they did not have to coordinate how to save Nogrod. In other words, as we are going, let's not forget even the possibility that the death was really an unpredicted loss from the wolves' part.