WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

There's nothing in the rules about the Ranger and the Hunter being able to communicate in private. Are you, Boromir, perhaps trying to sway Mormegil to your side by buddying up to his innocence? Possibly the only reason you know he is innocent is because he is not a wolf like you.

Just a thought.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

There's nothing in the rules about the Ranger and the Hunter being able to communicate in private. Are you, Boromir, perhaps trying to sway Mormegil to your side by buddying up to his innocence? Possibly the only reason you know he is innocent is because he is not a wolf like you.

Just a thought.

To be honest, I'm kind of a sucker for such tactics. I tend to suspect those that suspect me and vice versa it's fairly pathetic really

I'm glad to see both SpM and Eomer not trusting either party as I think it's 99% certain that you are not both wolves...at least one is innocent and it's good to get your perspective on things.

[The Might]

Well...I feel like a fool now just like in the last game where all those I thought innocents were wolves and vice-versa.
To sum all up, I did trust Nerwen, I did think that she was an ordo based on her decisions, and, yes, I was totally wrong.

The problem is now I have no idea whom to trust and whom to not trust.
I mean, leaving Eomer aside now as he's in the background as most others after the recent events, there are two sides.

I really don't know what to believe about this whole revelation, on one hand it would be nice to think that indeed this is how things are, but on the other hand some things don't add up in my head either based on what has happened so far.
I'll wait to see what happens before I vote, as I am still unsure what side I should support.

[Kath]

Well, I am here, and am reminded of just how much I hate it when so many revelations appear at once. We have:

Farael as Seer.
Rikae as Wolf.
Mac as Wolf.
Boro as Ranger.

Or we have ... what? Rikae as Ranger and nothing else certain? I know which option I'd rather go for.

Farael being the Seer would explain the difference in playing style I've felt from him. But, and there is a but, I am not liking that he only reveals who he has dreamt of if they reveal first. That could make so much sense because obviously you don't want to reveal the Ranger, but it could also be a wonderful wolvish plot.

Oh dear, I think I'm going to start arguing myself in circles like Sauce. I want to trust Farael because look, two wolves! But I'm just not sure. I've been taken in by him before. I would say the simplest way to test the theory would be to lynch Rikae, as she seems to be the lynch pin to this, but if she is the Ranger then we've basically lost Ranger and Seer in one fell swoop as there will be no protection toNight.

I'm going to hang around for a bit, try and make up my mind.

[Macalaure]

Mac, why didn’t you switch to Nerwen to save yourself?

As I said before, I really did think her innocent. I was prepared to save myself by voting for her, but I thought there were no more votes left - I completely forgot about Nerwen's own. So my main goal remained to get Aganzir lynched, which is why I responded to her "--++" with my own and couldn't retract anymore when I saw what Nerwen did.


I know Farael isn't who he claims he is - or at least not who he thinks he is. I haven't though about the possibility of a false seer before.

But what about Boro? If Boro is telling the truth, then I think the situation looks like this. The wolves tried to kill me in Night 3, after I mostly went after Aganzir all day. This either means that Aganzir is a wolf and I was thought to be the seer, or the wolves tried to frame an innocent Aganzir.

But then, if they thought me to be the seer, why didn't they attack me again last night? I know I'm not the cursed, and even if I was, then Farael had no way of knowing that. (This is a flaw in morm's argument in 406) Did they change their mind because of something I said on Day 3? Did Nerwen see a chance yesterday to save herself (and Aganzir?) and lynch a possible seer at the same time? This doesn't seem to go together well.

Also, if Boro is telling the truth, then Rikae is obviously up to no good. In that case, Farael accidentally called a real wolf a wolf.

Boro can't be a wolf, I think, only a cobbler. But this would then mean that Farael is a wolf and not a cobbler, because two of that sort would be a little too much. Farael indeed could be a false seer. At the moment, this seems to be the most probable scenario to me.

If Boro is lying, then Rikae is the ranger. This would probably mean that Aganzir is innocent, because the wolves never came for me. What is there in Legate's posts that made him a target in Night 3?


I guess tp now has the confusion that he was looking for...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

But surely, if they are both Wolves, it would have made more sense for Rikae to leave her vote where it was (particularly as her last minute switch would draw attention to her) and for Nerwen to switch to you. It might have meant Nerwen being lynched toDay, but it wouldn't have made Rikae and Mac look particularly bad, and would have got rid of an innocent rather than a Wolf yesterDay (assuming that you are innocent).

I agree that it would have made more sense. But all these days we've been discussing why the wolves have decided to do something unexpected, so I don't really know.

Originally Posted by Kath

I would say the simplest way to test the theory would be to lynch Rikae, as she seems to be the lynch pin to this, but if she is the Ranger then we've basically lost Ranger and Seer in one fell swoop as there will be no protection toNight.

If Rikae is the ranger, Farael is not the seer & the real seer is still unknown, so lynching her wouldn't endanger the seer. Or did I miss something?
And what about lynching Mac then?

[Kath]

If Rikae is the ranger, Farael is not the seer & the real seer is still unknown, so lynching her wouldn't endanger the seer. Or did I miss something?

Oh you're quite right! I'm sorry, seems I had got muddled. Indeed, we lose the Ranger but the Seer is quite safe. Well now that's interesting.

[mormegil]

Boro can't be a wolf, I think, only a cobbler. But this would then mean that Farael is a wolf and not a cobbler, because two of that sort would be a little too much. Farael indeed could be a false seer. At the moment, this seems to be the most probable scenario to me.

Is it possible that Boro is the ranger and Farael is a cobbler, wolf or false seer? I think in this scenario the false seer is least likely but it did seem odd that Farael waited until Boro proclaimed himself to reveal that he had dreamt of him. I can, in this light, see Farael's move as a perfect cobbler ploy. He not only flushed out the ranger but potentially a seer. If there is a seer out there that is not Farael, I would not recommend coming forward unless you have information that would be vital for us to win.

The more I think about what I said earlier the more imporbable it seems...the scenario I was talking about that I didn't want to bring forward was that Bororanger was cursed too. I really doubt this is possible but what got me thinking of it was when Boro said that he expected himself to be killed last night and well there was no death so???

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Well, we have to find out. It seems clear to me that our best option is killing Macalaure, because he's certainly not a gifted. Let us discover the rest of the puzzle once we have severed most of this fog. I don't know who is telling the truth, and frankly we don't have to worry too much about it at this stage. There are enough innocent villagers to work it out, whoever dies today.

[Macalaure]

It seems clear to me that our best option is killing Macalaure

I think you're going for the easiest option here. If there was no evidence who is speaking the truth and who is not, I would agree with you. But there is - we can make a good educated guess and not just lynch the seeming best option to find out what he is.


I've been wondering why our two rangers revealed themselves at all. A ranger who is known to the wolves is a dead ranger. If Rikae is for real, she could have waited with her revelation until later in the day. If the village had decided to lynch me first and not her, she would have remained hidden. A cornered wolf might have reacted like her. If Boro is for real.. well.. I don't really see why he would have revealed himself at all, I have to say. Rikae at least was under pressure.