WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I protected Macalaure on Night2, Legate on Night3, and Macalaure again on Night4 - and you are the one who is done for, once my role is revealed.

Since I won't have too much time to post toMorrow, I'll ask this now eventhough we don't know yet for certain who is lying.
Why did Rikae decide to clear Legate? I think tp hadn't posted the tally yet when she posted this.
Is Rikwolf continuing with too-obvious-for-a-wolf things & mentioning her fellow wolf there or did she just choose him because he was the only one who agreed with them?

[Boromir88]

Is it possible that Boro is the ranger and Farael is a cobbler, wolf or false seer?

No...plain and simple...no.

If Mac and Rikae are Wolves, I think that you would have been their likeliest target last Night.~Sauce

I disagree. I defended Mac two nights ago, and assumed that I had successfully defended him; hence why I dropped off the hints. But, think about it, if I'm dropping off hints that Mac was innocent, and Mac is a wolf, why would the wolves kill me yet? I went way out of my way to throw full support to Mac, and yesterday I definitely didn't want to see him lynched.

I think it was pretty clear to mostly everyone that I had information yesterday, and I came in definitely thinking I was going to be dead. But, I went well out of my way to give Mac a full defense, if the wolves were tipped off that Farael was the seer, they would obviously go after him, if I was fully believing Mac was innocent. Why kill me yesterday than? With the way Farael was attacking Mac yesterday, and the way that I was defending him, perhaps the wolves felt safe that I did not know who the Seer was and hence felt safe trying to kill him. Where then they could properly deal with me the next day. So, why kill me?

I really doubt this is possible but what got me thinking of it was when Boro said that he expected himself to be killed last night and well there was no death so???~morm

That wouldn't make any sense. Since no one has died the last two nights, one of them had to be a successful defense. I believed going into yesterday I had successfully protected Mac, but I believe as I pointed out in the narration, this was not so. The narration makes it clear that something happened to benefit the wolves the wolves on Night 3, the cursed was therefor turned on that night. ,
Night 4 had to have been the successful protection, unless you are going to suggest that there are two cursed?...Or how about this...everyone is cursed, no one will die for at night for the rest of the game...

Although, I wish I hadn't revealed so hastily, because I can blow holes in Rikaes fraudulant reveal and will do so momentarily. Mark my words, you lynch Farael this village deserves to be devoured by the wolves and I am ashamed to be protecting it.

[Aganzir]

I will have to vote now, as my friends decided they'll come here to celebrate New Year. I'm not sure if I can be online at deadline (12 am here), but I'll try.

++ Macalaure

[Macalaure]

I have to leave now, so this is my last chance to change my vote.

While I think that Boro is clearly more likely a cobbler than the ranger, it is still a possibility that is not negligible. I don't feel like doing the work for the wolves, so I won't switch to him.

Rikae is the ranger unless a) Farael is a false seer but one of his dreams happened to be correct b) he is a cobbler and accidentally outed a wolf. Other than that, I have to say that more or less all evidence points towards her speaking the truth. I wonder what it is that Boro promised to come up with.

I know Farael is not the real seer. As a cobbler, he deserves to be lynched. As a false seer I'd feel sorry for him, but he's of no more help than an ordo (me). In fact, he is even less helpful, because as a false seer, he will involuntarily be very confusing for everybody.

I think I will keep my vote where it is. From my point of view, it makes the most sense.


Happy New Year to everyone!

[Boromir88]

I became suspicious of Rikae after Nerwen's lynching yesterday, mostly because of her Day 1 activities.

If you notice, Rikae managed to get into a tustle with Nogrod over his playing style, yet anyone who suspected Nogrod she tried to get suspicion turned towards them...she did the same for anyone who suspected Nerwen. Shasta was after both Nerwen and Nogrod, morm was after Nerwen, and Rikae throughout Day 1 says that both Shasta and morm was acting "jumpy." hmmm...

Or how about the playful attitudes between Mac, Nogrod, and Rikae through Day 1?

Rikae calls out Nogrod for his desire to lynch the "quiets." Nogrod says Mac and Rikae are plotting against him. Rikae points out that Nogrod always seems to accuse her and Mac of plotting together. And when I explained to Rikae what I thought Nogrod's typical thought pattern was she says, she knew but she always gets into an argument with Nogrod over it. In the midst of all this stuff between the three they seem quite jovial about it, using all sorts of smilies and winks. It looks all too much like a group of wolves who are not only willing to lynch eachother to look innocent, but are having a good time laughing about accusing eachother.

Let's look now at Day 3 and Rikae's vote for Nerwen to save Mac. Rikae was trying to save Mac...quite the noble thing to do actually, and to answer why doesn't she vote for an innocent? Since Mac is a wolf, and there is no doubt in me now that he is a wolf, what looks better for Rikae if she's trying to save him? To vote and lynch an innocent, or she could cast a vote to hang another wolf partner of hers who as in trouble. Also. I haven't checked the times but Rikae's last vote turns out to be a waste, as my vote for Nerwen sealed the deal.

[Boromir88]

While I think that Boro is clearly more likely a cobbler than the ranger~Mac

Why are people trying to say there is a cobbler in this village as if it was a known certain fact? There is no cobbler role that our moderator has listed in the "rules" so why is it being pushed that a cobbler in this village is a known certainty?

Edit:

Also, use your brains and think who the real ranger is. Rikae clearly did not know that as the Ranger she could communicate with Val.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Hmm, people are panicking. It's all a bit strange from my, rather comfortable, vantage point as an uninteresting Ordo. There will be innocent lives lost, but that's the way of the game.

There are plenty of villagers left to work out the truths from this debris, once we get some certainties. Certainties come with a lynching tonight. While I can see how both sides can be telling the truth, intuitively I believe Farael and do not think an evil one would have done what he did at this stage in the game, when there is still so much time.

So:

++MACALAURE

[The Saucepan Man]

Darn! I haven't much time, and I doubt that I will be back before the deadline, what with having guests coming round an' all. So I am going to have to work on the basis of who has come across as most and least credible to me toDay.

++Farael

[Rikae]

I have been operating, since the end of day 1, on the assumption that Macalaure was innocent and, quite likely, the seer. Yes, I *do* believe I can read him quite well (as several games testify) and I thought that the way he went after Nogrod on Day1 would make him a likely target for the wolves, therefore I protected him on Night2. Being unable to protect him on Night3, I thought it was best to throw some suspicion his way, leading the wolves to consider him lynchable and therefore leave him alone for the night, while, as you see, I tried to deflect suspicion from him at the same time. I also didn't want to draw attention to both of us by accepting his ideas too easily. (Incidentally, it was Boro's "known innocent“, Morm, who began the "Mac & Nogrod wolf-on-wolf“ theorizing that day.)
On day 3, I voted for Aganzir basically based on Mac's hunch (which I thought might be a dream); however, seeing how close the voting was I waited at the keyboard, fully suspecting some sort of evil last-minute voting. When I saw Nerwen's post – which claimed to be voting for Mac to save "whoever“ was ahead, although this was clearly not The Might – the second on her list – with this fake, rushed quality which, due to the devious timing (the very last minute!) I did not buy, I instantly switched my vote. I never saw such an evil-looking post in my life – a last minute vote for a seerish person with absolutely no reason behind it at all. (Save "whoever“? What?)
I protected Mac last night, and I would like to think I was successful. However, the fact that he was so heavily suspected makes me wonder whether the wolves didn't, in fact, count on getting him lynched today and attack someone else last night, finding the cursed. It may be we are dealing with three wolves at the moment, in which case this Boro/Farael plot might just be a bold plot to get rid of the seer and ranger and let the third wolf coast to victory. At any rate, Legate is innocent, and if we lynch Farael today, I can protect him again tonight. The wolves will kill either Mac or me but you will have the other two as known innocents tomorrow and Boro and Farael will be revealed for what they are.

In response to Boro's fabricated argument above - Nogrod, Macalaure & I have quite a bit of WW history together. Nogrod's constant suspicions that we were lovers ended up being a self-fulfilling prophecy in RL - of course we joke about it. As for communicating with the hunter, Boro, adding additional rules where they are convenient for you is a rather obvious ploy, don't you think?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I don't know. It looks whatever the case, there is about 50% chance of wrong choice and the result if we are wrong is the same for both cases - it would go for several days. However, I am more inclined not to jump into attempts but rather stand with trusting Mac. There is this Nerwen-vote thing that I still can't believe to be a work of wolves.

Originally Posted by Boro

Also. I haven't checked the times but Rikae's last vote turns out to be a waste, as my vote for Nerwen sealed the deal.

Your votes were cast at the same time, so you most probably crossed.

Speaking of that, are you not pushing the saw too hard here? I know this is crucial time, yet getting carried off while argumenting and coming up with invalid arguments does not help, rather it could mean harm to you.

Originally Posted by Boro

Rikae clearly did not know that as the Ranger she could communicate with Val.

This is also one thing - there is no such a thing mentioned in the rules. Or at least how I read it:

Ranger- Each night the Ranger must select someone to protect from the Werewolves and pm the name to me. If he picks the same person that the Werewolves pick for their kill, that person survives the night. If he protects the Cursed, the Cursed cannot be turned that night. The Ranger cannot protect himself, and he cannot protect the same person two nights in a row.

Hunter- The Hunter can, at any time, pm me with the name of a person he believes to be a Werewolf. The Hunter can change his pick at any time. If the Hunter is lynched during the day or killed at night, the most recent person he chose to hunt will die also, IF a Werewolf.

So it is also possible that the Ranger and the Hunter cannot communicate and you made this stuff up to gain more support from others.

All in all, we will learn after toDay. So how that is - whether Farael is really what he says he is and Mac and Rikae are Wolves or whether Farael came up to set the trap for the real Seer while providing cover for the other Wolves with a bold move (or whether he is a false one or whatever madness) - depends on our votes. Currently, I am inclined to trust Mac & Rikae and am slightly suspicious of Boro (if he's really not trying to hard) and Farael, but there is still time. Will be back later.

EDIT: x-ed with Eomer, Mac and Rikae

[The Might]

Well, as I have said in the last post, there are certain things that don't really seem to add up very well.

As such I am not really sure what to believe about this revelation. I actually thought what Farael and Boro would really have to gain if this happened. Well, we would indeed lynch an innocent toDay, but they would be clear targets the following days.
So I will trust them for now and vote

++ Macalaure

Of course depending of the outcome of toDay's vote I will probably see if I trusted the good site right now or not.

Wish you all a Happy New Year and may 2008 be the year in which all your wishes come true! (except if you're wolves)

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by The Might

As such I am not really sure what to believe about this revelation. I actually thought what Farael and Boro would really have to gain if this happened.

They probably think they will lynch the seer toDay, kill the ranger toNight, and only lose one of the possibly 3 remaining wolves and a cobbler for their troubles. That's what.