WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[Aganzir]

This may be my last chance to be online for two Days so I've prepared a nice little post. Yes, beforehand, because I thought I can sleep a little longer in the morning if I do that (but decided to post it in the evening instead of going to sleep early), and I was also quite certain the person this post is mostly about wasn't going to die during the Night.

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What happened in the Night? It doesn't look like the wolves had tried to kill Boro, or was there some weird twist?

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I guess we're going to lynch Rikae today, but there's another person I'm very worried about, and that is Legate. I have been repeating this quite many times by now, but he isn't being himself, and I hope he is remembered toMorrow even if I don't manage to make it here.

My guess is that Rikae was the cursed (it also makes the most sense that the wolves wanted to kill her on Night 3), and that means Legate has probably been a wolf all these days. Let's see how this looks like.

On Day 1, he said he didn't see anything strange about Nogrod and hoped to see more from him before judging him. He found Nerwen reasonable and suspected morm, who had expressed suspicion towards Nerwen.
Shasta was the one whom he disliked most. I find this interesting; if the wolves felt Shasta was a threat, surely they wanted to get him lynched (especially as innocents considered him suspicious as well) rather than kill him; that always leads to innocents speculating why he was killed.
He also attacked Boro who had been speaking against Nogrod a little.

Legate voted Nogrod only after he had started behaving extremely suspiciously. But Nog wasn't the only suspicious one there... Just look at Legate's posts after Nog's show! Desperately trying to find (bad) reasons to switch to Nog.

Originally Posted by Legate

Nog, now that was pretty strange what you said. --- Again, if you said it as a joke, whatever, but basing suspicion on it? What puzzles me is that you surely know to do better, Nog!

Originally Posted by Legate

--- Till recently, I did not have any reason to suspect Nogrod. Yet this? Nog, surely you don't want me to lynch you? I have two strong pros: what you did and also that I would save Nerwen by that. Unless I am mistaken the fate of todays vote is in my hands. Oh my, don't make me do it! Yet I consider Nerwen less suspicious than you. This is ridiculous.

From the beginning of Day 2, Legate defends Mac; surely his and Nog's little dispute wasn't a wolf-on-wolf, his accusations look genuine &c. Mac defends Legate as well, saying his vote was ordoish. To me it makes sense that they tried to make each other look innocent- too much had already been risked by wolf-on-wolf accusations.

Legate is also quick to agree with Mac. On Day 3, ie. the day I after I had voted Mac for the first time, how come Legate gets the feeling that I am a wolf. He also speculates what kind of tactics Agan-wolf might have had. While the tactics he presented are something I doubt I would ever use (and why should they be anything else? They're how he "interprets" the things I've done), the way he presents them should make it easy for others to believe I would have done something like that. But his main goal is to help Mac by getting people suspect me instead. In the same post he
he attacks Saucie, who had an argument with Mac earlier the same day.
By Day 3 it was quite obvious Nerwen would be suspected, so Legate decided to do what was best and start suspecting her, but just a little- not too much to contribute to her lynching but enough that no one could say he was protecting her.

And just look how Mac dismisses the possibility of Legate being a wolf!

Originally Posted by Mac

If Legate's vote was a wolf-on-wolf vote, it was a rather clumsy one, I think. Too clumsy for Nogrod and Legate - they would have done it better or not at all.

Originally Posted by Legate #363

I am saying this to pose a question, whether it could not be possible for the Ranger to somehow pass this information to us? I don't know if revealing himself would be a good move at this time, yet I wanted to bring this forward as an idea.

Ok, this is something I don't like. He's doing nothing but trying to get the Ranger reveal.

I'm very puzzled about why Rikae chose to put Legate on her protect list and thus either prove his innocence or prove he was the cursed. Could it be just because Legate had been the only one to agree with Rikae & Mac, or
was Rikae, knowing she would die soon, gambling and putting her fellow wolf there, hoping that we thought she wouldn't risk that? After seeing how bold our wolves are, I wouldn't put it past her.

Originally Posted by Boro

Or maybe, Legate, who's behavior today just seems off...it's not what I expect from Legate. He's playing off a confused, "I need to sleep on this." --- Legate avoided the subject and has been subtetly defending the two claiming it would be way too bold for wolves to sacrifice half their team.

Originally Posted by Farael

Legate has been posting a lot today, but saying next to nothing... I think he's positoning himself on purpose to look like a misguided ordo with his vote for me.

I agree with Boro & Farael on these. Besides, I think Legate is usually more clever than what he has been playing here.

Originally Posted by Boro

Why are people trying to say there is a cobbler in this village as if it was a known certain fact? There is no cobbler role that our moderator has listed in the "rules" so why is it being pushed that a cobbler in this village is a known certainty?

I think I was the first one to mention the possibility of there being a cobbler... And I was speaking about Legate then, because I thought he was quite cobblerish. Would it be too bold for a Legwolf to pretend to be a cobbler and thus excuse his odd behaviour? Ok, I know that was far-fetched.

However, I very much doubt now that there would be a cobbler. Wouldn't it be too great an advantage to the baddies, as there are also four wolves and a cursed?

I don't think morm (or Saucie) was the cursed- it's so easy to believe it was Rikae- but I think this idea the little bird gave to Eomer is worth keeping in mind; that the werewolf Valier had chosen didn't die
because of an ordo's lack of participation, that is.

My opinion at the moment is quite much the following:

Innocent
Farael
Kath
Saucie
Eomer
morm

Guilty (I suggest lynching in this order)
Rikae
Legate
Might
Isabell

++ Rikae

Sorry if I don't make too much sense. I'm extremely tired, I must wake up in less than five hours and I'm trying not to panic while thinking what tomorrow will be like after this much sleep deprivation.
I'll try to pop in quickly in the morning but I'm not sure if can make myself wake up even ten minutes earlier because of that.

[Aganzir]

And isn't it awfully convenient if some of the wolves suspect one another so much that certainly all of them can't be wolves while others are so clearly on one another's side that it's surely too obvious to be wolfish?

Good night and good luck.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Th
I guess we're going to lynch Rikae today, but there's another person I'm very worried about, and that is Legate. I have been repeating this quite many times by now, but he isn't being himself, and I hope he is remembered toMorrow even if I don't manage to make it here.

Sorry, I can tell you all that Legate is an ordo

Are you all gonna trust me now?

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Farael

Sorry, I can tell you all that Legate is an ordo

Are you all gonna trust me now?

I am glad that you dreamt of him, I was hoping that you would dream of him or The Might the most so as to help clear things up for me. While I'm glad that Legate is innocent I still find his behavior to be a bit odd and I think Agan and others brought up some good points against him. Agan suggested that he might be a cobbler and I'm inclined to look at him as such.

Anyway It's obvious Rikae will die today but I suggest that we don't make this a lost day so to speak. There is nothing to speak of for incriminating Rikae any further as she took care of that yesterday, though tracking her down may be the hard part. What I am suggesting is that it does appear that we still have two wolves and we should begin finding the final wolf. My top suspects are The Might, Agan, Isabell, and Eomer.

I've stated some reasons for The Might already so I won't repeat them now due to a lack of time. The others I haven't spoken about much as of yet but did make mention of Eomer yesterday and stated that I found his claim to be innocent as rather forced, but I would like a closer look at things later. Agan and Isabell are more of the feeling and the desire not to trust them. Plus, knowing that Legate is innocent makes me wonder why Agan came out so quickly with such a lengthy post today about him. It seems she is trying to get everybody on board quickly so as to divert all eyes from her.

[mormegil]

++Rikae
--Rikae
++Rikae

[Farael]

Ok, a few thoughts

Last night's narration explains a lot. I thought that it was possible the wolves were divided somehow and I'd say it's quite likely that Rikae and Macalaure were "lovers"

That also means that Rikae cannot have been the cursed.

This is my last day here, the wolves killed Boromir so that he could not protect me tonight. Even if he claimed he protected me last night, they couldn't know whether he was bluffing or not.

Now, barring a sudden twist that I do not expect (methinks the "twist" was the lovers among the wolves) I will be killed this night.

All we know for sure right now is

Known innocents
Legate (Last night's dream)
Farael (so long, and thanks for all the fish)

Dreamed of, or hunted by Valier before the Cursed was turned
Saucepan Man
Mormegil


Completely Unknowns
Aganzir- hangwoman
Eomer of the Rohirrim- gravedigger
Isabellkya- hen
Kath- milliner
The Might- shephard

Wolf
Rikae : (nananana.... nananana... HEY HEY HEY... good-bye)

A few thoughts on what should be done next.

Of course, Rikae dies today. There's no point in having her around any longer. Then it will be up to you all to find the remaning wolf.

If you think Nerwen was the cursed, then SPM and Mormegil are ordos and we have one of the "original" wolves among the unknowns.

That means that we should be looking for people who have been consistently wolfish from Day 1

If you think that we have found all the "original" wolves and only the turned-cursed is left, SPM and Morm are not in the clear and we have to look for people who may have changed their playing style slightly after the night the cursed was turned.

I'm not sure which scenario is the most likely.

On one hand, SPM has been rather clueless and it's surprising to see him alive for so long, he's usually an early kill.

However, it's quite possible that, due to SPM's cluelesness the wolves thought there were other, higher priority targets.

SPM will be my dream tonight, as Phantom said he'd let me know even if I am to be killed by the wolves... so I will know his role, but it's unlikely you will

Right now though I'm leaning towards [B}Aganzir[/B] being guilty, her attack on Legate seems weak (even if I DID dream of Legate her points are mostly circumstantial)

This quote really makes me wonder

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What happened in the Night? It doesn't look like the wolves had tried to kill Boro, or was there some weird twist?

Why talk about some far-fetched twist when it's obvious the wolves got rid of the Ranger so they could get to me without risking a ranger save if Boro had bluffed yesterDay about protecting me the night before?

Also, don't you all agree that Rikae and Macalaure are werewolf-lovers? That'd explain why Mac AND Rikae helped getting rid of Nogrod and Nerwen respectively. We are not dealing with some super-bold wolves... we are dealing with furry traitors of their own kin (doubly so, once for wolves, once for lovers)

So, unlike Morm who posted when I was still writing this post (I checked the thread before submitting to avoid a massive x-posting :P) I think that Aganzir's points are not all that strong.

KEEP IN MIND I DID NOT DREAM OF HER

[Isabellkya]

++ Rikae

For obvious reasons. oohh that is pretty interesting, if Mac and Rikae as Wolf lovers had to ret rid of the rest of their team to grab a victory for themselves. That is twisty in deed.

The tactics of the wolves during the night are pretty straight forward; they killed the Ranger so they could make a clean kill of the Seer toNight. I think the only thing which could be found strange is that the wolves' master of fog made the kill; rather than them.

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I'll be back later to post more, but my grandparents are coming over for dinner in roughly 1.5 hours and I've got to start cooking.

[Rikae]

You didn't really think TP would only add twists helpful to the villiage, did you?

You know, now that my apprentice, her assistant, and my competitor are gone, you are soon going to find yourself without a herbalist. How do you plan to medicate yourselves so you can sleep at night, knowing the wolves will eat you one by one?

I also don't know what you're going to do when your shoes wear out...

See you soon, Macalaure....

EDIT: I should say "you don't really think TP would", because, after all, you don't know the twist I speak of yet. You will soon enough, though!

[Rikae]

Oh, yeah - I told you Legate was innocent, didn't I?
I would keep an eye on that Aganzir if I were you.

++Aganzir

[Farael]

A bit of advice... it's pointless to read much into what Rikae says... everything could be a doubletripleoctuple bluff so might as well ignore her.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

The tactics of the wolves during the night are pretty straight forward; they killed the Ranger so they could make a clean kill of the Seer toNight. I think the only thing which could be found strange is that the wolves' master of fog made the kill; rather than them.

This quote keeps bothering me. I don't know if this is of any help, I do this rather to sort out my own thoughts, but anyway.

No one died on Nights 3 and 4. One was a ranger protection, the other the cursed turning into a wolf. We don't know which.

Boro protected Mac on Night 3 and Farael on Night 4. It was not possible that Mac would have been the wolf pick, so it would make sense that the cursed was wolverised on Night 3.

If the cursed was turned on Night 3, the only option is that the wolves attacked Farael on Night 4 and found he was protected. Why on earth did they kill Boro the next night then? Were they afraid there might be some twist that allowed him to harm them or something? Or was Boro closer than Farael to catch the last wolf so that the wolves didn't care if he got one dream more? Or was Boro twisted in a way that allowed him to force the wolves to kill him?

If the cursed was turned on Night 4, the wolves couldn't know if Boro had really protected Farael. They had to take him out first, even if that meant Farael would get one dream more. What happened on Night 3 then? I have no idea.

What does Izzie's quote have to do with all this? She just seemed to be a little too knowledgeable about what the wolves have been thinking and doing.
It was expected here that the wolves would have gone after Farael who couldn't be protected that night (as everybody thought the wolves had tried to kill him the previous night), and now Isabell came telling that the wolves had to take Boro first. Because they couldn't know if Farael would be protected.

I don't really have the energy to speculate this more (and I doubt if it's even that useful), and I guess I'm being rather unclear anyway. Besides, I'm quite sure I forgot something.
Ah well,

++ Isabell

[Kath]

I can promise you that my lack of posting isn't apathy morm, though I suppose I could have tried a little harder. Mostly I've just been having surprisingly full days (and an irritating net connection at times).

Now then, I must vote and go, and whilst I hate to add to such a bandwagon the fact that we've seen so little of Izzy toDay and my earlier suspicion of her means I must:

++IZZY

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

What does Izzie's quote have to do with all this? She just seemed to be a little too knowledgeable about what the wolves have been thinking and doing.
It was expected here that the wolves would have gone after Farael who couldn't be protected that night (as everybody thought the wolves had tried to kill him the previous night), and now Isabell came telling that the wolves had to take Boro first. Because they couldn't know if Farael would be protected.

Well, not necessarily. Personally, when I read this, a long time ago, I considered it as statement of facts - if the wolves did not know whether Farael was protected or not, it was obvious for them that they had to kill Boro first. For a villager who did not know whether the wolves knew that Farael was protected, such a villager could assume that either the wolves knew or that they did not and it does not seem suspicious to me when someone sides with one of these opinions.

Anyway, I don't think I am going to dig anything more and don't know whether I will remain here till the DL itself, so I am voting now

++Aganzir

with the hope that here the root of all our trouble lies.

EDIT: x-ed with Kath

[Isabellkya]

++Aganzir

Quite interesting that yesterDay you were pretty trigger happy to see me lynched, yet today you actually deemed it it neccesary to 'analyze' my posts before you made your vote.

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I would post more, but I literally cannot. Yes I know I have been pretty quite; but as one of my posts stated I was feeling ill. Two days ago we had wind storms which led to a power outage, we didn't get internet back until late last night. Since then, being only halway back it continually reconnects itself, so it takes a ridiculously long time to get to a page.

[Isabellkya]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

The tactics of the wolves during the night are pretty straight forward; they killed the Ranger so they could make a clean kill of the Seer toNight. I think the only thing which could be found strange is that the wolves' master of fog made the kill; rather than them.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

This quote keeps bothering me. I don't know if this is of any help, I do this rather to sort out my own thoughts, but anyway.

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What does Izzie's quote have to do with all this? She just seemed to be a little too knowledgeable about what the wolves have been thinking and doing.
It was expected here that the wolves would have gone after Farael who couldn't be protected that night (as everybody thought the wolves had tried to kill him the previous night), and now Isabell came telling that the wolves had to take Boro first. Because they couldn't know if Farael would be protected.

I don't really have the energy to speculate this more (and I doubt if it's even that useful), and I guess I'm being rather unclear anyway. Besides, I'm quite sure I forgot something.
Ah well,

++ Isabell

Going after a known gifted who may or may not be protected, is a bit risky. You can either get lucky and kill them, or you waste a kill. There is a much higher probability of killing the gifted's protector, leaving a clear path in killing the gifted; without wasting a kill. When you are a baddie, you don't have the luxury of wasting kills.

Anyone who has played many werewolf games would know this; it isn't special knowledge privy to only Wolves; yet I'm glad you pointed it out. Ignoring the obvious strategy is a bit on the denial side; almost as if you want to avoid it.

[the phantom]

The Day was quiet. Everyone spoke, but not much. The residents were tentative, confused, and anxious.

What little speech there was gave Isabellkya the feeling that the lynch would be swinging in her direction, and she slowly edged her way out of the conversation.

As the sun set, Kath noticed someone was missing. "Where's Izzy?"

Legate, SPM, and morm looked around in surprise. No one had spotted her leaving. "All right, we need to go look for her," said Aganzir. "Perhaps if we split into two groups and-"

*splash*

The villagers all rushed off in the direction of the splash, stopping only when they reached the shore. Izzy was swimming desperately towards the fog.

"It won't let you out!" yelled Legate. "Why bother?!"

"There's no telling what the fog will do to you!" bellowed SPM.

Izzy stayed her stroke and paddled to face them, and began yelling. "I don't care! I just want it over with! What good am I anyway?! I don't know how to help! I don't know what is happening! I don't even know-"

And then, as if some leviathan had grabbed her legs, she was jerked beneath the surface of the lake.

The Residents-
Aganzir- hangwoman
Kath- milliner
Legate of Amon Lanc- lamp-maker/fiddler
mormegil- woodsman/carpenter
The Saucepan Man- traveling tinker

The Departed-
Nogrod, reticent lumberjack- Day 1 lynch victim (WEREWOLF)
Shastanis Althreduin, herbalist- Night 2 wolf slaughter (VILLAGER)
Valier, basket weaver- Day 2 lynch victim (HUNTER)
Azaelia of Willowbottom, apprentice to Rikae- slain by Hunter on Day 2 (VILLAGER)
Nerwen, miller- found out on Day 3 (WEREWOLF)
Macalaure, jailer- outed on Day 4 (WEREWOLF)
Boromir88, assistant to the apprentice to Rikae- taken by fog on Night 5 (RANGER)
Rikae, midwife/wise-woman- executed on Day 5 (WEREWOLF)
Farael, conspiracy theorist- surrendered to fog on Night 6 (SEER)
The Might, shepherd– went missing upon execution Day 6 (?)
Eomer of the Rohirrim, gravedigger- dug his own grave, yet was not in it Night 7 (?)
Isabellkya, hen- swallowed by lake on Day 7 (?)

IT IS NOW NIGHT 8. YOU MAY NOT POST.