WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Rikae

The question is, am I the sort of man who would put the poison into my own cup, or my enemy's?

Nothing is meaningless, and I don't intend to lie from this point on.

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose..."

You're a guy?

Now looking at yesterday's voting record, there are two things that come to my attention.

I had four votes, two by Mac and Rikae which don't tell us much. Then we have Legate with some EXTREMELY flawed logic... but proven an ordo

and SPM

Now, he votes for me at quite a pivotal time, as it put me in the lead. Perhaps he was hoping that some innocents would see the tally, notice that I'm in the lead and decide to vote for me?

He has an awful lot of explaining to do over that vote.

Conversely, The Might voted Mac to get a tie with me (which puts him on the lead as he was the "last one" to get there). If he was a wolf, why act so quick to kill one of their own? he could've stayed put and gauged the village's reaction to SPM's vote.

Of course, they can't both be wolves (simple math, there's only one unknown wolf left). If I had to choose one of the pair, I'd say SPM's vote looks AWFUL.

I don't think right now that SPM should be a top suspect this day, but looking at the voting record, his vote for me looks pretty bad.

Either way, i'll find out this night what SPM may be... it's a throwaway dream, but it's not like I'd be able to share it with y'all

Also, why does everyone keep on pushing the idea of a cobbler?

And before I forget

++SPM

Oh, yeah... right.

--SPM
++Rikae

Disclaimer: No, I am not leaving seer hints about SPM with that vote, just keeping and old vendetta alive

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Farael

You're a guy?

Last I checked, no - but why twist the quote more than needed?

Originally Posted by Farael

Either way, i'll find out this night what SPM may be... it's a throwaway dream, but it's not like I'd be able to share it with y'all

If I were you, Farael, and you were the seer, I wouldn't do that. Take it from me - knowing something the villiage doesn't after you're dead is incredibly frustrating!

Originally Posted by [B

Farael[/B]]
Also, why does everyone keep on pushing the idea of a cobbler?

Because there is a cobbler. I can promise you that!

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by SpM

He has an awful lot of explaining to do over that vote.

I have no explaining to do over that vote, as I explained it when I cast it. I voted for who seemed least credible to me at the time. I was wrong.

Give it up, Rikae. no one's going to be listening to you.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

I have no explaining to do over that vote, as I explained it when I cast it. I voted for who seemed least credible to me at the time. I was wrong.

Give it up, Rikae. no one's going to be listening to you.

Talking to the known baddie, are we, SPaM? Tsk tsk. That could get you in trouble, by and by.

And why should I stop? I'm having too much fun.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by morm

Plus, knowing that Legate is innocent makes me wonder why Agan came out so quickly with such a lengthy post today about him. It seems she is trying to get everybody on board quickly so as to divert all eyes from her.

Because I wasn't sure if I manage to post later and suspect Legate. That simple.

Originally Posted by Farael

Why talk about some far-fetched twist when it's obvious the wolves got rid of the Ranger so they could get to me without risking a ranger save if Boro had bluffed yesterDay about protecting me the night before?

I skimmed the narration and was puzzled by this

"It is not right that you have interfered thus. Such things are not to be done in these villages. You have twisted the rules."

"You, of all beings, should not speak so on the matter of twisting," answered the fog.

Farael, if you dream of a player with a twist, will you know it? I just can't believe Legate is an ordo.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Farael, if you dream of a player with a twist, will you know it? I just can't believe Legate is an ordo.

Grasping for straws here? the "bad" fog twisted the rules by killing the Ranger which is not allowed as they should not actively interfere

The "good" fog did the "twist" which methinks is a pair of lovers among the wolves.

I could be wrong, but I'm sure not liking your logic here.

Worst case scenario, Legate is a cobbler-like figure... doesn't matter, as long as he's not a werewolf (and I would've seen him thus if he were) he counts as an ordo and should NOT be lynched. Simple as that

You are digging your own grave!!

[The Might]

Well, seems I was right about Mac.
And as Rikae is clearly a wolf, the question only remains who is the other one...

And right now, I'm not so certain about that, and since it's anyway pretty clear who will get lynched toDay I'm not going to think too much about it yet.

So...
++ Rikae

[Farael]

Originally Posted by The Might

Well, seems I was right about Mac.
And as Rikae is clearly a wolf, the question only remains who is the other one...

And right now, I'm not so certain about that, and since it's anyway pretty clear who will get lynched toDay I'm not going to think too much about it yet.

So...
++ Rikae

Errr Might... wouldn't it make more sense to start working on the next suspect NOW? I mean, right now the villagers have the advantage, but it's not sure that we'll win. We have an edge right now buti f we let it slip out of our grasp the last wolf will take us appart one by one.

Man, it's almost like you do it on purpose to be suspected...

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Farael

Worst case scenario, Legate is a cobbler-like figure... doesn't matter, as long as he's not a werewolf (and I would've seen him thus if he were) he counts as an ordo and should NOT be lynched. Simple as that

I agree with you Farael in that he should not be lynched but I also agree in that if we can determine, or guesstimate that he is a cobbler then we should not really give heed to him as well. He does count as an innocent in the overall so not lynching him is a good idea but I for one will not be persuaded by him as I think what he says might be tainted. That is why I want to consider him the cobbler, if there is such a role which Rikae seems to promise us there is. .

I am wondering if wolf Agan is using this as a guise to further separate our thoughts from her.

I still think The Might looks awfully suspicious and I agree that his post today doesn't help allay my fears of him. I have done my analysis of him and my vote is likely going for him tomorrow, unless something drastic happens.

[The Might]

For me?

I just said that I'm going to have to wait until I take a better look at the others and see what is posted toDay first.

And anyway, at this point besides Eomer whom I have suspected from earlier on, I really don't have others that seem wolvish.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by mormegil

I still think The Might looks awfully suspicious and I agree that his post today doesn't help allay my fears of him. I have done my analysis of him and my vote is likely going for him tomorrow, unless something drastic happens.

I'm not sure that The Might is a good choice for a lynch. He's been consistently clueless but last time around he was even MORE clueless than in this game and turned out to be an ordo.

Let's make a pretty lil' list 'cos there's two hours left.

Aganzir- Not looking so great. Specially her insistance on Legate. Hey, it's all good that you think he may be a cobbler, but I Just told you he's not a wolf... start looking elsewhere!
Eomer of the Rohirrim- Gotta hand it to him, he's very calm and fairly reasonable. So far no red flags here.
Farael- What a wonderful guy. Insightful, witty and so darn good looking
Isabellkya- I'm not sure I have much to say about her... hasn't really participated a whole lot, has she?
Kath- And the same could be said about Kath
Legate of Amon Lanc- We know he's an ordo
mormegil- I really do trust him the most right now. He's been consistently mormegil-like, even with his vote for me and his retraction
Rikae- nananana... nananana... HEY HEY HEY...good-bye
The Might- Ugh, if I was the Hunter and could kill ordos, I'd hunt him just to clear the air... but I don't think he's the last wolf.
The Saucepan Man- I will find out his role toNIght ... but I am unsure of whether he may be wolfish or not.

I believe it is likely the last wolf may be either Aganzir, Isabellyka or Kath. After that I'd distrust SPM and Might on that order.

Finaly, Eomer and Morm

Of course, it's up to y'all to find the last furry one... hopefuly next Day you'll be able to find him and finish him off.

I don't know if I'll be back, so I wish you the best of lucks... and [B}SPM[/B] I'll be seeing you in my dreams!!

[The Saucepan Man]

I suppose that it's understandable that it has been quite quiet toDay, given that our choice of lynch victim is obvious. Still, it would have been nice to hear a bit more from everyone, particularly as we are most unlikely to have a trusted Farael to bounce ideas off toMorrow. It's a shame that more have not ventured an opinion on whether the last Wolf is an original or the Cursed since, outlining our thoughts in this regard could well help us to find him or her.

Some thoughts on what has been said toDay.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Because I wasn't sure if I manage to post later and suspect Legate. That simple.

Well, coming up with such a detailed analysis so early on did look rather sinister, but I can see merit in your explanation. My main problem is that you paid scant attention to any other possibility. Rather than considering other possible Wolves, you concentrated on Legate almost exclusively. And, even since Farael revealed him to be no Wolf, you have not really offered any other thoughts, save to suggest that Legate might be a Cobbler. Even if you are right, there is (as both Farael and morm pointed out) little sense in us lynching someone who is not a Wolf, as he numbers among the innocents for the purposes of victory.

Originally Posted by The Might

Well, seems I was right about Mac.

You seem a little too eager there to claim your share of the credit for Mac's demise for my liking, young Might. And you seem rather reluctant to say much else toDay. It helps us little for you to merely sit by the sideline saying that you will look at what happens toDay and think about it toMorrow.

Originally Posted by The Might

I just said that I'm going to have to wait until I take a better look at the others and see what is posted toDay first.

That's all very well for you, but it hardly helps us assess you, does it? Save to draw conclusions as to your possible reason for remaining relatively quiet toDay. Which ain't doing you any favours, to my mind.

Originally Posted by Eomer

Nonchalant? What a non-reason. It worked out, didn't it?

Yes, and neither of the choices available to us yesterDay was ever going to be fatal. But that didn't stop most of us agonising over trying to make the right decision. The wrong one would have been a setback. Your nonchalance could be seen as an attempt to disguise a Wolfish annoyance over the revelation of your fellows.

Originally Posted by Eomer

I must agree with Farael here: Saucepan's reasoning for his vote looks bad. I would have expected such a common-sense and practical player such as he to vote for Macalaure, who was never going to be a Seer, over Farael.

I thought it likely that a Seerish Farael would be killed overNight, as, if Boro was the Ranger, he most probably had saved him the Night before (and the Wolves would have known that). I was, in any event, more focussed on trying to decide which was the Wolf, and I concluded that Farael looked the more Wolfish. Rightly or wrongly, I set a lot of store by the voting record, and Farael's voting record looked a lot worse than Mac's to me.

Given what has happened toDay, the Might is now nudging equal to Aganzir in my suspicions.

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Farael

... and SPM I'll be seeing you in my dreams!!

Sweet dreams, Farael.

[Farael]

There's something that doesn't add up. The wolves know whom they attacked the night before I revealed. The wolves would know then whether BOromir was blufing about having protected me the night before.

If he had protected me, the wolves would've attacked me a second night straight which would've meant that Boro would've been unable to protect me anyway.

So it begs the question, Why am I still alive?

My only thought is that Boro did not protect me the night before... which in turn means the wolves did not attack me either and so they took out Boro last night 'cos he WAS able to protect me.

But if Boro did not protect me, and yet there was no death that previous night... who was saved?

I looked through Boro's posts last day but I could not find any information there... only thing that comes to mind is that if Valier and him were not able to communicate, perhaps that the wolves attacked Mormegil and he protected him that night.

Of course, he couldn't say that, as he had to hope to keep up the bluff and perhaps the wolves would've attacked me and he would've protected me.

So right now, I'm thinking Mormegil is almost certainly an ordo!

Edit: I used some awful grammar there... not even grammar, it was just poor English.
Edit 2: Typo.... seems my brain's off today.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Morm, there's really not a lot I can say about your points against me. They are pretty interesting. All I can reply with is that the pieces fit, but the picture is wrong. You've made me pleased with myself for my wolf-spotting prowess. But the wolves never attacked me. Actually, at that point in the game I could not have dreamt of all those wolves; and the wolves weren't too interested in me because I never made a strong case against one of them. Even my Nerwen votes were not especially reasonable, rather lucky. The wolves obviously picked Farael as the Seer before me, and they picked right.

By the way, the "little bird" thing was not a devious reference to a 'twist'; rather, it was a reference to my experienced Werewolfing-girlfriend who supplies me with all my brilliant points and arguments.