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zxcvbn · 01-06-2008, 09:20 AM

With the exception of the One all the Rings were forged by the Elves with Sauron's instruction, and I doubt they poured any of their spirits into it like he did. So if Sauron learned all their secrets, why didn't he forge more Rings? Given the power of the Nazgul, better to have more of them than less.

William Cloud Hicklin · 01-06-2008, 10:19 AM

Remember Feanor, and Yavanna? In the Tolkienverse some Great Works can only be made once, and never repeated. If Sauron were capable of making another Ring surely he would have made another One, first off!

zxcvbn · 01-06-2008, 10:38 AM

But Celebrimbor created many Rings, so that atleast was a Great Work that could be repeated. Sauron was certainly much greater than Celebrimbor, and so could have created many more.

Elmo · 01-06-2008, 11:10 AM

The One Ring was much more powerful then the lesser rings
as it could control or at least limit what they could do.

Gwathagor · 01-06-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by zxcvbn

With the exception of the One all the Rings were forged by the Elves with Sauron's instruction, and I doubt they poured any of their spirits into it like he did. So if Sauron learned all their secrets, why didn't he forge more Rings? Given the power of the Nazgul, better to have more of them than less.

I think not. The power of the Nazgul was fear, and if EVERYBODY is a nazgul, then they aren't scary anymore. Giving rings to that many people would also involve diminishing the power of each, as power can't just be created. It has to come from somewhere, in this case out of the ringmaker. Like a physics equation.

The Might · 01-06-2008, 06:33 PM

Great argument WCH, and this seems to go well with my earlier thought.
He simply was not able to.

I disagree there Gwathagor, I am sure that if he could he would have made more Rings to have more Wraiths and I agree on the power part. Simply look at what happens in LotR - to have complete control of them he had to take their Rings away from them. Which means he wasn't that great to control thousands, he might not have really handled 10.

I am sure he planned it very well when he gave the Rings to others. He knew how much he could afford to do and this is how much he did. As such a 10th Nazgul might have been useful, but no longer quite possible. After all, Maiar have their limits too.

01-06-2008, 10:19 AM	#2
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,332	Remember Feanor, and Yavanna? In the Tolkienverse some Great Works can only be made once, and never repeated. If Sauron were capable of making another Ring surely he would have made another One, first off! __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

01-06-2008, 11:10 AM	#4
Elmo Pittodrie Poltergeist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: trying to find that warm and winding lane again Posts: 633	The One Ring was much more powerful then the lesser rings as it could control or at least limit what they could do. __________________ As Beren looked into her eyes within the shadows of her hair, The trembling starlight of the skies he saw there mirrored shimmering.

01-06-2008, 06:33 PM	#6
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Great argument WCH, and this seems to go well with my earlier thought. He simply was not able to. I disagree there Gwathagor, I am sure that if he could he would have made more Rings to have more Wraiths and I agree on the power part. Simply look at what happens in LotR - to have complete control of them he had to take their Rings away from them. Which means he wasn't that great to control thousands, he might not have really handled 10. I am sure he planned it very well when he gave the Rings to others. He knew how much he could afford to do and this is how much he did. As such a 10th Nazgul might have been useful, but no longer quite possible. After all, Maiar have their limits too. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

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01-06-2008, 09:20 AM	#1
zxcvbn Wight Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In front of my PC Posts: 164	With the exception of the One all the Rings were forged by the Elves with Sauron's instruction, and I doubt they poured any of their spirits into it like he did. So if Sauron learned all their secrets, why didn't he forge more Rings? Given the power of the Nazgul, better to have more of them than less.

01-06-2008, 10:38 AM	#3
zxcvbn Wight Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In front of my PC Posts: 164	But Celebrimbor created many Rings, so that atleast was a Great Work that could be repeated. Sauron was certainly much greater than Celebrimbor, and so could have created many more.