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Sauron the White · 01-08-2008, 05:54 PM

Folwren ... I am at a loss with just how to proceed. Asking for advice from you and anyone so inclined. Do we need to reach any kind of agreement or is the sole point discussion.

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and what about the idea of Gandalf first approaching the door and putting the sign upon it .... then going to Bilbo in the next scene.

Folwren · 01-09-2008, 08:59 AM

I don't think we need to expect to come to any sort of agreement about the prologue. We will probably need to agree somewhat on the following scenes, because depending on how one scene ends is will dictate how another scene begins...sometimes.

And as for the meeting of Gandalf and Bilbo, I think we need to have the whole "What do you mean, good morning?" discussion. The hobbit would scarcely be complete, much less begun, without that.

So, I believe what you should say now is, "What comes after the prologue and before the first dwarf arrives?" And if that is quickly decided, we can go on...

Sauron the White · 01-09-2008, 09:15 AM

"What comes after the prologue and before the first dwarf arrives?"

Let us discuss.

Folwren · 01-09-2008, 09:27 AM

Excellent. I'll be here much later in the afternoon to discuss my thoughts.

Sauron the White · 01-10-2008, 04:43 PM

Lets consider the first Shire scenes with Gandalf and Bilbo. In the book there are two different scenes. First, Gandalf shows up and we have the wonderful exchange between the two of them with "good mornings" and Bilbo remembering who Gandalf is. Gandalf departs leaving the message scrawled upon the door of Bag-end. Then Gandalf returns as promised and the Dwarves show up in dribs and drabs until the place is filled up. Both are great scenes.

Question: In the film, should these be two individual scenes divided by a nights intervention, or should they be placed into one scene without the passage of time?

We could hear Gandalf explaining about the message on the door rather than seeing him doing it. This would compact things and get rid of two rather similar looking scenes - at least until the Dwarves arrival.

Quempel · 01-10-2008, 05:55 PM

I think there should be some passage of time. Once Bilbo gets comfortable with one or two dwarves another one or two show up. So he will be setting out tea and various goodies to eat, sits down and as soon as he sits down there's a knock at the door. Have him fussing much the way he was in beginning of FoTR, except instead of hiding he is making teas and setting out cookies and becoming bewildered by it all. I think a small side quip would be him saying something about he has no idea how many dwarves he can fit into Bag End, something where the sheer terror of being an unprepared host would be played upon. All most like the mad-hatter in Alice.

Folwren · 01-14-2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Sauron the White

Question: In the film, should these be two individual scenes divided by a nights intervention, or should they be placed into one scene without the passage of time?

You remember that Bilbo invited Gandalf to tea in the book. And then as soon as he got inside, he wondered to himself, "Why on earth did I invite him to tea?" I wonder if this might be a good opportunity to make the time change. Bilbo runs into his door, shuts it, and then as he's pattering down the hall, mutters that line half aloud and scarcely has he quit saying it than we cut to a new scene of Bilbo at the tea table preparing to sit down. Before he can, he hears the knock of the first dwarf...

Are we permitted to write what we think might be nice for the dailogue?

Sauron the White · 01-14-2008, 11:45 AM

That is a very good idea Folwren. It would work quite well and we avoid two back to back scenes in the exact same place with much the same characters but broken over two days.

And by all means dialogue is fine here. I would love to see what you come up with.

Nazgûl-king · 01-22-2008, 12:57 PM

A lot in this scene depends on whether or not they are keeping with the tone of the book or making it more mature. If they go for the more mature idea, then I doubt the trolls will talk much if at all, or that there will be the purse. I think the trolls will talk a little bit though, since in one scene in the Fellowship film when Bilbo is telling the story of this adventure to a bunch of hobbit children he mentions them arguing over them. If they decide to keep the look they had for the stone trolls, then I think we have an idea of what the trolls and the location will look like.

Nazgûl-king · 06-09-2008, 12:16 PM

Are we still doing this? If so what part are we one now?

01-09-2008, 08:59 AM	#2
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	I don't think we need to expect to come to any sort of agreement about the prologue. We will probably need to agree somewhat on the following scenes, because depending on how one scene ends is will dictate how another scene begins...sometimes. And as for the meeting of Gandalf and Bilbo, I think we need to have the whole "What do you mean, good morning?" discussion. The hobbit would scarcely be complete, much less begun, without that. So, I believe what you should say now is, "What comes after the prologue and before the first dwarf arrives?" And if that is quickly decided, we can go on... __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

01-09-2008, 09:27 AM	#4
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Excellent. I'll be here much later in the afternoon to discuss my thoughts. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

01-10-2008, 05:55 PM	#6
Quempel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In a flower Posts: 97	I think there should be some passage of time. Once Bilbo gets comfortable with one or two dwarves another one or two show up. So he will be setting out tea and various goodies to eat, sits down and as soon as he sits down there's a knock at the door. Have him fussing much the way he was in beginning of FoTR, except instead of hiding he is making teas and setting out cookies and becoming bewildered by it all. I think a small side quip would be him saying something about he has no idea how many dwarves he can fit into Bag End, something where the sheer terror of being an unprepared host would be played upon. All most like the mad-hatter in Alice. __________________ Lurking behind Uncle Fester

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01-08-2008, 05:54 PM	#1
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	Folwren ... I am at a loss with just how to proceed. Asking for advice from you and anyone so inclined. Do we need to reach any kind of agreement or is the sole point discussion. ----------------------------------- and what about the idea of Gandalf first approaching the door and putting the sign upon it .... then going to Bilbo in the next scene.

01-09-2008, 09:15 AM	#3
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	"What comes after the prologue and before the first dwarf arrives?" Let us discuss.

01-10-2008, 04:43 PM	#5
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	Lets consider the first Shire scenes with Gandalf and Bilbo. In the book there are two different scenes. First, Gandalf shows up and we have the wonderful exchange between the two of them with "good mornings" and Bilbo remembering who Gandalf is. Gandalf departs leaving the message scrawled upon the door of Bag-end. Then Gandalf returns as promised and the Dwarves show up in dribs and drabs until the place is filled up. Both are great scenes. Question: In the film, should these be two individual scenes divided by a nights intervention, or should they be placed into one scene without the passage of time? We could hear Gandalf explaining about the message on the door rather than seeing him doing it. This would compact things and get rid of two rather similar looking scenes - at least until the Dwarves arrival.

01-14-2008, 11:45 AM	#8
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	That is a very good idea Folwren. It would work quite well and we avoid two back to back scenes in the exact same place with much the same characters but broken over two days. And by all means dialogue is fine here. I would love to see what you come up with.

01-22-2008, 12:57 PM	#9
Nazgûl-king Wight Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 104	A lot in this scene depends on whether or not they are keeping with the tone of the book or making it more mature. If they go for the more mature idea, then I doubt the trolls will talk much if at all, or that there will be the purse. I think the trolls will talk a little bit though, since in one scene in the Fellowship film when Bilbo is telling the story of this adventure to a bunch of hobbit children he mentions them arguing over them. If they decide to keep the look they had for the stone trolls, then I think we have an idea of what the trolls and the location will look like.

06-09-2008, 12:16 PM	#10
Nazgûl-king Wight Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 104	Are we still doing this? If so what part are we one now?