WW XXXXI: With a Twist

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Oh Noggins, Noggins, how could you make such a slip?

I'm not sure about the slip you mean... but actually I did blunder badly there. (Okay, just a few hours of sleep and all that) But I really could have saved myself at the last minute by retracking and revoting. I had a minute, well not a whole minute but anyway and I realised it only too late. It was partly due, I think, to the fact that I had made a decision not to vote either Nerwen (my mate) or Shasta (whom I felt bad for his track-record of being always voted on Day1) so I needed to focus on something else which meant throwing in a new candidate - and why not a rival wolf then? But I had one-tracked my mind with this so that I didn't notice my chance when I had the seconds to act (as it would have required a vote for either Nerwen or Shasta... eg. Shasta).

But as I said before: well done. That was a reasonable move from you Legate. But at that time I had no idea that you - and indeed the rest of the village - were cobblers. So thence my reaction then.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm not sure about the slip you mean... but actually I did blunder badly there.

Well, I meant in this post and the one after that, I really considered it silly that you mentioned Rikae's goodbye words "be good, for goodness' sake" - I was sure it was some momenary lapse of reason from you as an innocent, because basing your vote for her on this (apart from other things) was nonsense, but I thought it a good thing to base my retraction for you on. Of course, by swaying it a little to how it suits me.

[Farael]

Ah yes... the day of my revelation. I had meant on commenting on this, but then I got all caught up on what was happening on the village.

I think I owe y'all an apology 'cos I did not think many pleasant thoughts of most of you that day.... was I ever thinking the whole barrow downs had gone brain-dead!!my oh my... and Legate you helped the wolves more than what you'd know... the day I revealed, and having two "known" ordos, I figured that making sure they were trully ordos was more important than finding the last wolf, as I knew they were likely to be trusted inherently and may have coasted to a win if they had been the cursed. It would've been a toss-up as to whom I'd dream of, Morm or Saucie, but odds are I would've dreamt of Morm as SPM had seem ordo-ish to me.

However, your reasoning for voting me was just awful "I would feel bad for Lynching Macalaure and finding him an ordo while I wouldn't feel as bad voting for Farael and finding him the seer" and so I figured I should probably dream of you as there was something going on GAH! you cobblers you

[The Saucepan Man]

Originally Posted by Legate

No way. If they revealed you lied, you will be lynched and you will be revealed as ORDO - that would be really strange and will probably ruin TP's main purpose, or at least undermine it, as all would wonder why an ordo did such a thing, concluding that TP lies by saying you are an ordo. And the other cobblers, of course, will start to be suspicious.

I'm not so sure that it would have spoiled phantom's ruse. There were enough strange things going on, and the likeliest explanation would have been some secret role which would not be revealed to the end. It's a question of where to draw the line. It might be said, for example, that voting for you (a known innocent) would have been against the strictures laid on us, and I even wondered for a moment whether voting for Farael on Day 4 was strictly within the rules (I decided it was, clearly). Causing confusion and trying to get oneself lynched are, depending on the circumstances, two important weapons in a Cobbler's armoury. Indeed, it is hardly surprising that many of us did not excel in our Cobblerdom, given that some of the oft-used Cobbler tactics were simply not available to us.

Originally Posted by Volo

SPM, you really haven't changed since Rikae's game.

Well, I can claim to have had a lot of experience as a Cobbler. This must be about my fourth Cobbleresque outing ... although I am not sure if this one really counts. And what is it about me that I am almost always evil if I have a role? Four times a Cobbler, three times a Wolf, once a Hunter and never a Ranger or Seer

Originally Posted by Nog

I also said to tp that there was something that was overall strange in that voting on Day1.

Well, I certainly felt something strange was going on throughout. All those Wolf-on-Wolf votes! I think that The Might was the only villager never to have voted for a Wolf (with the exception of Rikae, which was unavoidable). Which makes him top Cobbler! I did wonder at one point whether the Wolves had been instructed that they could only vote Wolf-on-Wolf, but there were some votes (only some, mind) which didn't fit that theory. But it made the voting record very unreliable and so made Wolf spotting even more difficult.

Originally Posted by Volo

It sure is tempting to try the style I used on the first Day of SPM's game, which is to vote the person you suspect the least

Clearly that's the standard Cobblery approach. The problem I found (and it was particularly acute in this game) was that, every time I tried to come up with arguments to suspect someone that I thought innocent, they ended up looking quite plausible, leading me to doubt my original conclusion and start believing the person that I originally thought innocent to be a Wolf (that happened with my views on Mac a few times).

Originally Posted by Farael

I think I owe y'all an apology 'cos I did not think many pleasant thoughts of most of you that day.... was I ever thinking the whole barrow downs had gone brain-dead!!my oh my...

Teehee. I did feel quite bad about my vote ... for about a second.

[Farael]

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

Teehee. I did feel quite bad about my vote ... for about a second.

Saucie you are trully, fully and verily evil....ly

[the phantom]

STARTING ROLES

WW TEAM 1- Nogrod & Nerwen
WW TEAM 2- Mac & Rikae
SEER- Farael
RANGER- Boromir
HUNTER- Valier
COBBLERS- Aganzir, Azaelia, Eomer, Isabellkya, Kath, Legate, morm, Shasta, The Might, SPM

GAME SUMMARY

NIGHT 1
Farael's dream = SPM, appears Innocent (actually Secret Cobbler)

DAY 1
Lynch = Nogrod, Werewolf

NIGHT 2
Farael's dream = Boromir, Ranger
Boromir protects = Farael, Seer
Nog/Nerwen kill choice = Rikae, Werewolf
Mak/Rikae kill choice = Shasta, Secret Cobbler
Actual kill = Shasta, Secret Cobbler

DAY 2
Lynch = Valier, Hunter
Hunter Choice = morm, Secret Cobbler
Killed by participation rule = Azaelia, Secret Cobbler

NIGHT 3
Farael's dream = Mac, Werewolf
Boromir protects = Mac, Werewolf
Nerwen kill choice = Mac, Werewolf
Mac/Rikae kill choice = Eomer, Secret Cobbler
Actual kill = Mac, Werewolf (protected by Boromir so no death)

DAY 3
Lynch = Nerwen, Werewolf

NIGHT 4
Farael's dream = Rikae, Werewolf
Boromir protects = Farael, Seer
Mac/Rikae kill choice = morm, Secret Cobbler (Cursed)
Actual kill = morm joins Werewolf team

DAY 4
Lynch = Mac, Werewolf

NIGHT 5
Farael's dream = Legate, appears innocent (actually Secret Cobbler)
Boromir protects = doesn't matter
Rikae/morm kill choice = Boromir, Ranger

DAY 5
Lynch = Rikae, Werewolf

NIGHT 6
Farael's dream = Eomer, appears innocent (actually Secret Cobbler)
morm kill choice = Farael, Seer

DAY 6
Lynch = The Might

NIGHT 7
morm kill choice = Eomer, Secret Cobbler

DAY 7
Lynch = Isabellkya, Secret Cobbler

NIGHT 8
morm kill choice = Legate, Secret Cobbler

DAY 8
Lynch = Aganzir, Secret Cobbler

NIGHT 9
morm kill choice = SPM, Secret Cobbler

ENDGAME
morm kills Kath, Secret Cobbler

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Why did I have to die first?

Heh heh. Yeah, someone has to, and it always stinks for them.

But remember, I told you when you died that it was actually a good thing in disguise. Now do you see why?

The night you died, Nog and Nerwen chose to attack Rikae- another WW! Your death saved her neck.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

In the role pm you said we were to appear as innocents but there was one situation in which you could have allowed it to change. What would that situation have been?

If one of the gifteds went and violated the participation rule, I would have authorized a random Cobbler to do anything he/she pleased.

Originally Posted by Volo

An interesting game, but it was a pity that the players weren't allowed to reveal their roles to outsiders...

You should have pmed me, Volo. If you would have sworn yourself to absolute secrecy I would have let you in on the joke.

Great play from everyone, by the way! You cannot believe how amazing it was to watch the action with full knowledge of roles.

Yes, I put Mac and Rikae together on purpose.

Yes, morm was Cursed from the beginning. However, if the WWs would have selected someone else that night I was going to flip a coin to see if that person would be the new Cursed.

I had Farael and Boromir "survive" the game partly because a Cobbler broke the participation rule.

And don't feel too bad, Azaelia. Your timing mistake was an honest one, and quite frankly I would've been disappointed if I was not given a chance to dispatch someone with Mod-fire. I did it to Lhuna in the first game I modded, and it was fun, and I was itching to do it again.