Werewolf XLII: The meaning of life forever

[Valier]

Wow...I went to bed thinking I would have page upon page to read today, but to no avail. There seems to be only about 10 new posts. This quietness is disheartening, I should be around till almost the end today, so lets hope some more people turn up. I'm off to read, and hopefully form some opinions no matter how weak they may be.

[Valier]

I was going to make a list, but what I was going to say has already been said by a few people. My suspicions today include

Zali- I find it funny, that she finds it odd that she has suspicion already. I pretty much figured everyone would have some suspicion today. Says she does not want to suspect anyone today....huh did I get that right?

Shasta- Says very little, is going to come back with more substance....I find that a little hard to do today...could be a wolf, trying to be helpful.

Aganzir- not sure I like that already he thinks Roa an Ordo...unwise Roa is very cunning and it is not good to underestimate her so early on.


I know these reasons are weak, but something about these three just doesn't sit right. going by their words and actions today only. I will be watching Nogrod, Lommy, Legate and Roa in the days to come though. They are for me the ones to keep an eye on, they have fooled me before and I always find them hard to read. Don't get me wrong I will be watching everyone, but they warrant more watching from me as well as my suspects.

[Valier]

I think this is my first triple post ever....

People who still haven't posted

satansaloser2005
Alittlegreen
The Might
Kath
Naria
Gil-Galad
Rikae
Isabel

Do you think they all forgot about this day? makes you wonder...

[Rikae]

I'm here - I've just been reading through the thread to catch up on things before posting.
An unusual aspect of this game that no one has yet mentioned is the fact that most of this group has something to hide. Usual methods wolf-spotting like searching for nervous defensiveness & extreme efforts for one's own survival could spell disaster in the event that they are adopted by the ordos on the trial days, required as they are to choose between a gifted and a wolf. Though gifteds can reveal, under pressure, at the last minute normally, buying themselves a day or two, that would be useless on a trial day. We will really have to fine-tune our tracking methods to distinguish between good and evil.

Even though I know more than a third of this crowd is up to no good, only one person clearly rings alarm bells for me at this point - Azaelia. She is too agreeable, too careful, and in response to suspicion, seems too worried by it. I'm going to make a mental note to watch her closely from this point onwards.
There is also something that makes me uneasy about Valier, but then again, there always is. As someone said last time around, she has a furry soul.

Oh, and one more thing, Nogrod: Macalaure & I are, of course, lovers, even though he isn't playing, and are going to plot against you and get you lynched. Mwahahaha!

[Nogrod]

I would agree with Lommy that Roa is acting in a strangely consiliatory way. And to top that it's interesting that while she discusses the importance of this Day she does little else but talks about general issues. Well, I've myself done pretty much the same this far so maybe I can't blame her on that. On the other hand I do agree with most if not all of what she says about the general issues and that adds to my feel good -factor with her.

In my view - at this point - I'd say that I'm not at all relaxed with her but she speaks sense as always, also when she's a baddie.

Legate is another person around here who has posted more and with whom I have some concerns. It seemed that he was under the very same and faulty impression as I was that those trios Volo posted on the discussion thread would be the actual trios. Looking at his first post from that point of view brings Mac's first post from the last game to my mind very vividly. There Mac was a wolf who didn't know who I am and tried to frame me from the beginning making outrageously fabricated zero-suspicions the whole content of his post. I realised he was a wolf from that. Funnily I was to be a lynched wolf of a competing team so nobody believed me in the beginning...

But there is something strikingly similar in Legate's post even if it's more subtile. Mainly I'm worried about the way he could be seen laying groundwork for his possible vote on me in the trial to come (which we both then thought we were facing each other in). Legate is a reasonable player and when he is playing for the good of the village he's the most considerate person who avoids suspicions without a cause. But for some reason he decided to open the trial game already there in his first post of Day0.0. Why would that be if not to secure his stance on the trial-Day? And why would he feel the need to secure that position? Well a wolf might need it if he were to try and win a trophy...

Yet again after that he has played most wisely and made a few good points. Also I like his way of playing because he actually posts and brings forwards new ideas.

I might consider voting Legate or Roa toDay on these grounds.

*Diplomacy check: fumble, red alert!*

But I do hope I will find better candidates because both of them would be real assets to us if they are innocents and fighting wars between us as innocents would only play to the hands of the wolves. If we had an actual lynch toDay I'd rather vote for someone not committed to the game though... the loudmouths tend to get caught as the game proggresses as the net of lies they have to weave breaks sooner or later.

*Diplomacy check: not good but getting an inch better*

We need to speak our minds here now and toDay even if it means voicing concerns about people we like to play with.

*Diplomacy check: lost the die*

(The end of copying Legate's style)

~*~

Lommy I think has been helpful and straightforward and she also has the "right opinions".

My only problem with that is that if someone can totally fool me it's Lommy. So I'm torn between feeling good about her and thinking whether I should suspect her even more because of this good feeling...

I'll take a break and come back with something to say about those people who have said less...

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Looking at his first post from that point of view brings Mac's first post from the last game to my mind very vividly. There Mac was a wolf who didn't know who I am and tried to frame me from the beginning making outrageously fabricated zero-suspicions the whole content of his post. I realised he was a wolf from that. Funnily I was to be a lynched wolf of a competing team so nobody believed me in the beginning...

I have to say, in defense of Mac - he actually found you wolfish. He was certain you were evil, even though I kept telling him he didn't have any good evidence.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

He was certain you were evil, even though I kept telling him he didn't have any good evidence.

The power of the guts?

[Rikae]

I just wanted to mention one more thing before getting on with boring RL matters – it seems as though the majority here are of the opinion that voting now will give useful evidence later on, but this notion strikes me as nonsensical and useless. Votes haven't ever been an accurate indicator of people's actual suspicions, I'm afraid – it is only the role of the lynched person being revealed which makes them significant. Voting now only offers the wolves an easy way to appear innocent by "voting" those who genuinely look evil to them without risk of actually getting anyone evil lynched.
It is far more helpful to simply list suspicions - and the reasons behind them - at this point.

EDIT: X'd with Green, Legate & Might

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Rikae, read what I replied to Brinniel in the post above. It is not about who is "lynched" today, but for whom everyone votes. Now that we don't lynch anyone, everyone can vote really whom they genuinely think the most suspicious. And the wolves, of course, might do whatever they want, and end up the way I illustrated in my post above.

EDIT: x-ed with Nogrod

[Meneltarmacil]

I would tend to agree that today's votes, if any, will not reveal anything, due to the fact that there's no reason to worry about who gets lynched and what that will mean. There's no pressure on anyone to vote, no desperate attempts to free a fellow wolf from the noose, etc. here. It's the same as merely stating suspicions of someone.

[Groin Redbeard]

Here's my two cents on the players

Thinlomien- Somewhat of a quiet helpful character. She provides the best insight.

McCaber- Mysteriously quiet. I don't like the way he argued against voting on the first day.

Meneltarmacil- He hasn't posted much, but when he does it seems that he tries to dampen the debate.

A Little Green- Have no opinion yet.

Brinniel- I'm satisfied with the explanation she gives. I still go with my gut feeling anyway and say that she's a wolf.

Nogrod- The loudest and most helpful of the players.

Azaelia of Willowbottom- She seemed to be somewhat of a scapegoat for the rest of the players for a little while. I'm still uneasy about her silence.

The Might- No opinion yet.

Legate of Amon Lanc- As usual, I am just a tad uneasy with him, but I think Legate is a good egg.

Valier- I think dosen't trust anyone. This could be because she dosen't know who her fellow Were Wolves are, or just the sign of an experienced player.

THE Ka- Very difficult the way she plays the innocent one minute and suspects people the next. I don't have an opinion yet.

[The Might]

What is really so weird about the theory?
Would be an interesting idea, wouldn't it?

Anyway, as I'm off eating and afterwards have some stupid German homework to do I'll go ahead and vote now.

Anyway, I personally choose Nogrod, simply because I really don't like his playing style.
Seems to always enjoy speaking of "we innocents" and also seems to rather make up reasons to accuse many.

So, if I had to vote at this point I would say
++ Nogrod

I know he is the loudest, but I really don't like all this noise he's making and I will take a good look at thim as the game progresses.

[Rikae]

I really don't believe how many players actually expect to see wolves taking back “suspicions” they voiced today in any obvious manner on Day 1. The wolf has, especially considering their (more likely than not) large numbers, more to gain eventually than to lose by going after the others in an honest way. Of all people, really, Nogrod should not be talking to us about wolves protecting one another!
Seriously, I fear that all this talk of the usefulness of votes to catch wolves whochange their opinions later is being fueled, at least in part, by those with evil intent as a way of setting up easy lynches from day 1 onwards. Of course people will change their opinions down the road, but I doubt any of the wolves would be foolish enough to do so in an obvious way - and they may be as likely to pursue their suspicions for each other anyway. It is entirely possible for two players to feud for an entire game while everyone else considers them both innocent.
I'm not sure what to make of it, but I don't like hearing such usually sensible people as Nogrod, Aganzir and Legate spouting such clearly incomplete advice.
While I'm airing my opinions, I will say that I also dislike TM's "I'm an ordo!" ploy (that is, his wacky theory that all are innocent.) Although I'll admit that Volo is capable of anything, this simply doesn't look honest to me.
Menel is actually the only player who is really giving an "innocentish" vibe to me.
If I'm to be pitted against Green and Izzy, I would certainly like to see more from the latter before the day closes.

Well, my vote then - for what it's worth:

++Azaelia

Because she is, as I said earlier, both too agreeable and too defensive. It is the fatal combination between fear for one's own survival but seeming lack of concern for uncovering the truth - not a good combination. I also reserve the right to change my mind whenever I see fit.

EDIT: X'd with Lommy, TM & Noggie

[Nogrod]

I'm not perfectly happy with Groin Redbeard's open agreement with both me and Lommy. Also his easy jump on Brinn looks a bit suspicious. But then again I'd be more than ready to grant him the benefit of doubt as this is his first game if I have it right.

I may disagree with Brinn about the reasonableness of the discussion toDay but I still find her more innocentish than wolvish. A wolf would more likely just quietly go with the silent flow and not try to openly prove how insignificant the Day0.0 is if you get what I mean. With Brinn I'm most uneasy with this sentence:

Originally Posted by Brinn

Come Day 1, anything that happened toDay will have no real significance; we'll all be examining what occurred during Days 0.1-0.6.

But don't you see Brinn that what happens during Days 0.1-0.7 are heavily influenced by what happens toDay? The more we speak toDay, the more openly we come forwards the more we can learn from this Day. Downplaying this Day only helps the wolves. I can argue that with length later but now I think I have more pressing things at hand.

The Ka is a hard one to me. There is a general air of innocence in there but maybe it's just that which nags me. The thing one could point at is that she seems to play like any decent werewolf: writing a lot (well that's relative but in this game she's one of the top posters anyway) without actually saying anything: so looking like being a contributing member of the village but at the same time hunkering down and laying low.

McCaber is another one I find it hard to read. His first post is not too bad (or too good either) but his second kind of makes me a bit worried - even if I know myself that my reasons to worry about it maybe pretty superficial. But look at this one more time

Originally Posted by McCaber

Just because I don't feel a need to say everything that crosses my mind doesn't mean I'm a wolf.

But the point of there being a game in the first place requires people to speak and not parasitically to stand by and use other people's speeches to one's gain. I'd paraphrase his words a new with: Just because I don't talk much doesn't mean I'm an innocent. But still I'd count him among the possible innocents rather than the baddies. That's a gut thing once again.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Usual methods wolf-spotting like searching for nervous defensiveness & extreme efforts for one's own survival could spell disaster in the event that they are adopted by the ordos on the trial days, required as they are to choose between a gifted and a wolf.
...
We will really have to fine-tune our tracking methods to distinguish between good and evil.

Good point Rikae. Something we should all consider.

Oh, and one more thing, Nogrod: Macalaure & I are, of course, lovers, even though he isn't playing, and are going to plot against you and get you lynched. Mwahahaha!

How come this didn't come as any surprise?

Anyway, welcome all you newly thrown-in gladiators!

I'll continue with my monologue on people in a moment... *needs a cigarette*

[Naria]

I'm here! I forgot that everyone was able to speak toDay

I have read through all of the posts and nothing has popped out at me. Everyone seems to be in agreement with someone else and, so far, chatter has just gone in circles.

Oh and Nog...it's not a tactic. It's a kind of ww disability for me. I have played for a couple of years now and still haven't figured out how to just talk and talk and talk. I will, however, in the next couple of hours try to "contribute" to this weird type of Day

[Brinniel]

Okay, I've read through the last posts pretty fast, because I'm short on time..

Originally Posted by Groin

The one who was eager to postpone yesterdays discussions. I think she just dosen't know who her fellow Were Wolves are, that's why she dosen't accuse anybody.

I never said I wasn't going to accuse anyone; I just haven't gotten there yet!

But as I said before, I can understand why the majority want us to make a vote...it is nice to see how people stand early on. I even partly agree that perhaps some sort of accusations should be made. But...I just don't think anything done toDay will be particularly useful in the long run. But hey like I said, please do prove me wrong. Maybe I'll even end up proving myself wrong. (Me, wrong? Those who know me from previous games know it's not unlikely).

I guess one of my concerns is that people will be so caught up with events that occurred toDay, they won't notice later and more important clues that are right in front of their faces. It's happened before...where people are so concerned with one thing they are blinded by another. Am I making any sense here? I get the feeling I may not be...

Okay, the only person who has really caught my eye is Lommy. Usually she seems very innocent to me, but right now I feel she's only giving the appearance of being helpful...which is how a manipulative and louder wolf will act. I'm just getting some bad vibes from her...

I would continue on, but I have to go now and I'm not sure I'll be back before deadline. But if I were to make a vote, I think she'd be the best option. (Do I really need to make the official vote mark since it's not for a lynch? )

So tell me, if I were to change my mind about her in the future, will you guys be calling that wolfish? I can see the reason why you would...but it'd just be a very typical move to accuse anyone (not just me) for that reason...but I think it would be a bad idea. The wolves could easily manipulate us to base our suspicions on Day 0, and like I said, all of us innocents would be blinded by everything else. I'm out of time...sorry. I'll be back if I can...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I guess one of my concerns is that people will be so caught up with events that occurred toDay, they won't notice later and more important clues that are right in front of their faces. It's happened before...where people are so concerned with one thing they are blinded by another.
...
The wolves could easily manipulate us to base our suspicions on Day 0, and like I said, all of us innocents would be blinded by everything else.

I'm not so concerned about this one. What I'm afraid of is that we will have very quiet and shallow trials where no one has anything to say. I mean if normal Day1's are hard and sometimes quite random - and where it's hard to come up with anything worth saying - so how would a Day1 with only three players be?

Why should anyone base their suspicions only on Day0.0 after the trials are over? That would be stupid. And remember, this Day might go bad for the wolves as you said yourself they don't know each other. They might be the ones who'd wish this Day never occured...

[Isabellkya]

Hiii. Just a short post to say that I am here. Luckily we had ice this morning, otherwise I wouldn't be here for a number of hours.

*catches up on happenings*

[Nogrod]

Shasta has been his usual self I'd say - even if his style of popping in to say hello and to vanish immediately after that kind of annoys me (sorry Shasta, nothing personal as it's just a question of a playing style). So nothing unusual there but after the Days go by he might prove a problem if he doesn't post more. Anyway I'd say innocentish this far.

Menel the pessimist is a questionmark to me as well. There is sense in his words even if I disagree with a lot in there. But then again he's an experienced player. Although I might say he looks less lynchable than he usually does... I don't know what to say of it.

The Might is even more an enigma. He clearly was not understanding the game-mechanics or the timelines but then his weird theory in his last post does confuse one even more... making one think he might be innocent in the end. Or a very bold wolf. So innocentish I'd say.


Many people to comment on and not too much time... Maybe I'll go for impressions after this as there might be some live-discussions here to take part in? Let's see.

[Nogrod]

I'd disagree with some of the things Rikae said here.

Voting is a big symbolic gesture. We innocents can do it wholeheartedly as we ponder who of the people looks suspicious. Some of us will be dead after the trials so this is our last chance to try and help others.

Voting now only offers the wolves an easy way to appear innocent by "voting" those who genuinely look evil to them

I do not think that if someone votes toDay s/he's an innocent. But if the lonely and isolated wolves vote genuinely toDay for those who appear wolvish we have lots of nice data afterwards (they might have noticed something we didn't)... and if they try to fool us by voting for someone who is not actually suspicious they would have to come up with very far-fetched theories to explain their votes indeed. And those can be spotted.

So do vote people! And give your reasons!

[THE Ka]

Yay, more people have arrived.

I have some extra time inbetween classes and resume sending today so I thought I'd check in.

Whether Lommy is a wolf or whatever she may be, I'd like to say thank you for post #49. Mainly because I'm trying to scan as quickly as I can and add that to the other piles of theories. Thanks, it helps. A lot for lazy brains like mine.

Originally Posted by Brinn

I guess one of my concerns is that people will be so caught up with events that occurred toDay, they won't notice later and more important clues that are right in front of their faces. It's happened before...where people are so concerned with one thing they are blinded by another. Am I making any sense here?

Yes, some sense. I think things are starting to come forth a bit more. I was kind of put off by the consistent loud vs. quiet arguement, which probably if put in a RL context would be a bunch of people yelling back and forth. Sorry, I find it kind of annoying once a theory has been beaten out over and over again. It doesn't let others, ordinary or possible wolves speak when there's only one arguement going round, and it doesn't make much progress. Except the progress of knowing that loud vs. quiet is an arguement.
Which, I am glad more people have come by and contributed. If all else, it won't flop the trial days like a flan in a cuboard.

With that in mind, I did suspect Roa for a little bit, by either the use of repeated arguement and anything else at disposal. Then, I figured that would be way too easy a move for anyone, especially wolves.
By throwing everyone into their respective corners of standing, is blalant a move. Or, it is also a good one, since it seems too easy as a form of suicide for anyone, thus others nod it off as good trickery (can I use that, or am I writing like Joyce again?). So for now, I don't have much to make any conviction about Roa or other loud/quiet ones in the earlier 'loud vs. quiet' arguement. So, for now I can say I don't have much to make any logic deduction.

Originally Posted by Agan

The wolves don't know who will be their fellows, but surely they don't want to lose any of them (in the trials or later).

Very true, but that is also for specials and ordinaries as well. Obviously the wolves, no matter how large a number there is of them in this game, they need as many as possible to make any great effect. So, whatever anyone throws out they can decide to go with or against. Examples of this are especially arguements about playing style. Diversions like that, when they're dragged on and on, are wonderful for a wolf.

I guess the same can be said about specials, except maybe the need for preserving themselves is an even dire effort. This is because, unlike the wolves, the specials are in different groups with different roles, etc. Whether they are counterproductive to each others' groups can be true, but specials even in larger amounts can be at a great disadventage by the way and number of votes in their direction.

Maybe even at a greater disadvantage is ordinaries, on certain trial days, and by who they vote for. If you're an ordinary, you necessarily don't wish to attract too much suspicious attention, and you definately don't want your vote to end up taking out another of your group or a special who can benefit you. So, in a way I can see why some players are especially cautious about their votes just yet, survival wise when you don't know the role of any other it makes sense.

Originally Posted by Agan

So if we force them to comment on others before they know their fellows, it'll be less likely that they can change their opinion about them later and get away with it.

Be careful about that, wolves really only want to appear as ordinaries at the most, and if they have a head on their shoulders they'll definately go with the most cavaliering and pious crowd, but try to make sure that their response is as unique as it is deemed 'appropriate' saying,
"Oh I agree, but have you looked at this? No?! Well, if it isn't too much to explain, you might kill me anyways, but here's my contribution to the cause..."

If you give them a 'hero', they'll write you a tragedy.

Now, any ordinary knowing their end coming might say the same thing, so that is why it is tricky. Of course though, we always need to remember people will randomly bring back their character's personality at times to keep things varied for the sake of writing.

I have to end my post at this, since I have some phone calls/RL things to finish up for now.

I have a stupid question first though, since I keep seeing people mention it on and off. I thought we were not supposed to know whom else we have a trial day with/tell others for very simple reasons? Sorry if this is stupid, but I just wished to ask since I haven't seen the discussion page today, just PM's I recieved.

~ Ka

[A Little Green]

Just a little (green) postie before I go and eat some (not little nor green) food.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I guess one of my concerns is that people will be so caught up with events that occurred toDay, they won't notice later and more important clues that are right in front of their faces. It's happened before...where people are so concerned with one thing they are blinded by another. Am I making any sense here? I get the feeling I may not be...

I think you most definitely are making sense, or else I don't grasp your meaning correctly. I have no new suspicions, I just wanted to say what I forgot in my last post and what I think Brinniel means with her statement here.

I find it troublesome (though possibly inevitable) that the one "lynched" and also those suspected today will be facing heavier suspicion in the trials, which in itself is not troublesome of course, but the point of the whole day 0. However, without hardly any basis at all, today's suspicions can be, and most likely are, quite random. Those suspected today might get a suspicious air in the trials just because they were voted, whatever the motives of the voters may be and however furry their posts really were. Now if this is making any sense then I must lift the little green hat for myself.

EDIT: x-ed with Nogrod and Isabellkya

[Thinlómien]

I'm back and I must say we should mark our votes, even as they don't count.

Originally Posted by Azaelia

I haven't expressed any suspicion because it's just the first day.

If this is not just misfortunate phrasing, it's a very suspicious statement. And I'm, truth be told, annoyed with her making no statements of suspicion at all during Day1. What if we all acted like that?

Originally Posted by Azaelia

I have already said that while I'm not throwing today away completely, I do not want to base any opinions on today alone. It must be a personal style thing. I'm not a fan of the finger-pointing that happens on Day 1s. I'm actually not a fan of Day 1s in general. I don't think we have enough from anyone yet to form a solid opinion.

What? Excuse me, but who actually is saying that any opinions should be based on toDay's posts alone? That would be utter folly. I really really don't understand Zali and I'm afraid her logic seems somewhat wolfy.

Originally Posted by Noggles

My only problem with that is that if someone can totally fool me it's Lommy.

Like in Gil's game?

Originally Posted by LittleGreenMan

Is it just my imagination or do I see a contradiction here? When reading the first paragraph of that quote (the thing after the red alert), my first thought was "oh dear, so it's this same old thing, let's vote for the good, fluent, experienced players we personally like to play with". The second statement made me feel slightly better (and slightly less annoyed ).

What? Do you really mean that people like Nogrod tend to vote smart & experienced ones he likes to play with? For it's the contrary.

Originally Posted by Green

Overall, I don't quite know what to think about Nogrod. He is taking a leader role, and I am not sure whether I should be alarmed by it or not.

I don't have any clear image of him yet either, but if you're alarmed with him trying to take the leadership, well, I can tell you that he always does that, regardless of his role.

Originally Posted by Noggie

I'm not perfectly happy with Groin Redbeard's open agreement with both me and Lommy. Also his easy jump on Brinn looks a bit suspicious. But then again I'd be more than ready to grant him the benefit of doubt as this is his first game if I have it right.

I'm not perfectly happy either - though not because it looks wolvish to me, but because if he is innocent (like I'd currently be inclined to believe), I fear he might be easily lead. Groin, don't take the opinions or advice of the more experinced without chewing it first - I did that in my first game and well, I'm very glad those two I almost blindly listened to were gifteds. But not every newbie has such luck.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I guess one of my concerns is that people will be so caught up with events that occurred toDay, they won't notice later and more important clues that are right in front of their faces. It's happened before...where people are so concerned with one thing they are blinded by another.

Yes, yes, but I fail to see how it applies to this game especially...

I'd like to repeat something I've said before. Today, more and especially less accurate suspicion is flying around and some wolves might be out there that have chosen as their tactic trying to manipulate us. So, whatever we do toDay, we must read and ponder everything said toDay very carefully and critically before our trials. And in the trials, we should definitely not focus only on those who have posted or whose actions have been discussed toDay.

EDIT: mass xed with everything after Green's latest post

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

But as I said before, I can understand why the majority want us to make a vote...it is nice to see how people stand early on. I even partly agree that perhaps some sort of accusations should be made. But...I just don't think anything done toDay will be particularly useful in the long run. But hey like I said, please do prove me wrong.

Well, as I said before, and some repeated that, the point of all people voting toDay is clear. The wolves don't know who the other wolves are. Let's say I'm a wolf and vote for the Might. Later, I find out that the Might is also a fellow wolf. I may of course continue my suspicion and slowly drop it (or at least weaken it), or even quickly drop it (which would cause immediate suspicion), or I may decide to keep the suspicion and eventually choose to sacrifice the Might in order to keep myself distanced from him. This method is not bulletproof, but with a good deal of luck it can bring valuable results. And if all of us don't vote, the possibility of evidence it offers cannot be even brought up. Or we can simply say (and the wolves who vote will surely agree) that all who did not vote on Day 1 should be lynched because only a wolf sees advantage in not voting on Day 1. Therefore, I say we all should vote toDay, or: if you are an innocent, vote, because otherwise it may happen that all wolves vote and then they say: "Ha, you, you did not vote, let's lynch you!" And it's only your bad decision that lead you to this bad situation.

Though I disagree with Brinn on her pessimistic view, from her post #44 I am inclined to judge her as innocentish.

Originally Posted by Lommy

But, in order to add some so called "Lommy-flipflopping", I must say I think I always suspect her, whether she's innocent or guilty... (last time, mind you, she was actually guilty)

That was not necessary to add. I have a vague idea where to put Lommy, but comments like this make me a little more aware.

Rikae brings a good point about the Gifteds, I thought this thing was not necessary to be said aloud, but maybe it's better if people who did not realise it in the first place can think about it as well.

Aganzir looks normal this far. What does that mean? Nothing, as one Cobbler (one of many) recently said, she is capable of being a very unsuspicious wolf. Nevertheless, this far okay.

I don't get what everyone has with Azalia, maybe I have not played with her to know her, but her playing style does not raise any alarms. But, thinking of it, yes, how should I notice any difference in her behavior when I never met her before.

Little Green also looks ok, not like when she was playing the last time and were a wolf

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'm not perfectly happy with Groin Redbeard's open agreement with both me and Lommy.

Yup, I noticed something similar. Groin, though he is just finding his way in the arena, seems too quick to side with some strong players - a thing a newbie wolf (the more with no prior discussion and advices from his older mates!) could do.

EDIT: x-ed with Nog, Isa and LG

[The Might]

Aha, just found a post in the Admin thread I somehow missed and so now I know how it works.

So... it is really not important who you vote toDay right?
While I can on hand see how a vote could help us perhaps find a culprit I don't think it's the same a vote where someone will be lynched as there is nothing at stake.
So... I can't really say who is suspicious since it is easy for wolves to defend themselves as they don't have to try and defend any others from their pack.

Now, my own thoughts to this loud/quiet thing.
I must admit that in my first WWs I did always consider quiets more suspicious and louds rather helpful then furry and I still stick to this, but this doesn't really matter that much to me anymore.

I know myself there can be many reasons why a player is simply not able to say much on the first Day and so I'm not going to concentrate too much on it all.

Btw, you know what just came to my mind?
After all the twists and turns last WW I think we might be seeing something similar here as well.
I mean, after all the wolves don't do anything, nor do the gifteds.
My humble theory is that we were all made innocents (that somehow makes it much harder to see any wolvishness in one's playing style) and that the roles really will only be PMed later before the first Day begins.
Don't know if Volo is capable of such evil deeds , but it seems to be an interesting idea...