Werewolf XLII: The meaning of life forever

[Valier]

Menel you are awfully quiet...even more than usual? Your last post to me sounds a bit like you've given up already.

[Valier]

hour and a bit left..... are you both going to leave it till the last?

I'm still thinking this through myself. but in the end, I'm afraid my gut may have to do the job for me if I don't hear more.

[Meneltarmacil]

I'm still here; that last comment was just an in-character thing.

Anyhow, I suppose it's possible that Legate was legitimately suspicious of Nogrod, given that Nogrod would have had to set his idea in motion regardless of what he was.

As for what I might want from you, Valier, I couldn't find much in your posts that would shed any light on what your role might be, just mild suspicions here and there without much else. You could either be a villager in the dark about things, or a wolf pretending to be a villager, but there's nothing to suggest either one. The playing style here prevents the usual bandwagoning, vote-influencing, and such, and so I don't have any patterns from you to analyze yet. In short, I'm not sure there's much I can do.

So do we have a loud, confusing, influential wolf trying to stay close to Nogrod's ideas while keeping a discrete distance from the man himself, or is the wolf just trying to pass itself off as an in-the-dark villager and hope nobody notices? I'll review the posts some more and get back to you on that.

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Menel

So do we have a loud, confusing, influential wolf trying to stay close to Nogrod's ideas while keeping a discrete distance from the man himself, or is the wolf just trying to pass itself off as an in-the-dark villager and hope nobody notices?

Now you know exactly how I feel about you two.

[Meneltarmacil]

OK, I might as well start the voting. I've given my reasons why either one could be a wolf, and can't decide between them. However, Valier's behavior is fairly reminiscent of your typical Day One poster (could be a wolf trying to stay under the radar though), while Legate's behavior is still a bit of an issue.

I'd say a Legate-wolf is more dangerous than a Valier-wolf, though, so

++Legate of Amon Lanc

[Meneltarmacil]

Oh, and Valier, you're now in a position to cast the deciding vote. If you vote for Legate, he's dead due to having a 2/3 majority. If you vote for me, Legate will also vote for me to save his skin, so I'm dead then.

[Valier]

Originally Posted by Menel

Oh, and Valier, you're now in a position to cast the deciding vote. If you vote for Legate, he's dead due to having a 2/3 majority. If you vote for me, Legate will also vote for me to save his skin, so I'm dead then.

Don't put pressure on me or nothing.... sigh

[Meneltarmacil]

Wait a second. A third possibility occurred to me. If Legate is in fact a Wolf, he may be bold enough to vote for you and cause a triple lynch. Of course, he'd be dead, but it would also guarantee that both an innocent and a Gifted would die. With the wolves accounting for a third of us, they might be more willing to try suicidal tactics.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Triple lynches are not allowed. If we all vote for another, there will be a random choice of a lynch.

Wait a minute.

[Meneltarmacil]

Wait. If you vote for me and Legate the Werewolf doesn't even vote, he'll kill two innocents without killing himself, three if we count the death overNight. Grrr, the possibilities...

EDIT: Cross-posted with Legate

[Aganzir]

Honestly, I don't understand why Legate was lynched. To me, he was the most innocent-looking of them.
Menel said Valier hadn't posted enough for him to form an opinion about her and Legate was strange, and thus he was inclined to suspect him.

Originally Posted by Menel

-Legate was behaving rather strangely earlier. He throws his support behind Nogrod's voting idea, with good arguments to match... and then attacks Nogrod for trying to be too helpful, without posting a lot of reasoning for his choice beyond that. This doesn't look good.

I fail to see what's strange with that. You can agree with someone but think he looks suspicious anyway.
I don't like the way Menel was after Legate all day. And I don't like either how Valier ended up voting him. The whole lynching was too easy. I believe the wolf is still alive.

I think McCaber was the most suspicious there yesterday. I considered Roa innocent as well, but he was really siding with her, and it's quite obvious that Naria would have died had he not failed to vote (which, I hope, he'll explain on Day 1).

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I know these aren't of much use at the moment, but I'd like to hear your thoughts anyway. Or at least your thoughts about something, especially Shasta's.
I think I can tell that if I had to vote now, I'd vote Shasta - because Ka has been so much more constructive. (Why is it that I've recently taken into a habit of threatening him with a vote? ) But I'd hate to actually vote him with that reason, so please, Shasta, talk.

[Aganzir]

I'm not much into making analyses this early, with so little to go on, and it's pretty difficult to find any suspicious things with you.

Anyway, I'm slightly wary about Ka's approach on Day 0. She didn't speak only a little, and mostly sense, but about rather irrelevant matters like the game dynamics. It would have been, and still would be, nice to hear a little more what she thinks about people.

And with Shasta there's absolutely nothing to go on.

There's this song by Current 93, named Twilight Twilight Nihil Nihil, and it seems to fit this day perfectly.

[THE Ka]

Yay! Glad you are here.

I was weird and decided to wake up at 2am my time, but I had to go to sleep after an hour or so or I'd passout on the keyboard. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Roa

It may take a little bit. Also, given my history of getting everyone angry at me, I'm trying to be more mellow this game. Also, I made an attempt at stirring a good discussion with my comment about wolvish strategy, but it mostly went ignored, so what can I do?

I just wished to point this out when we consider the playing taking place on the first trial day, especially since all three of them were seasoned players, but I can understand clearly trying to get back up to speed on the ever evolving ww game. Since, for example, I don’t know half the roles sometimes without reading them over and over again, thankfully this game Volo was nice enough to explain things to an old daft and sparse player.
Anyways, even if Roa was deciding to be mellow, I wouldn’t doubt her cleverness too easily because of this. Though, with the trial day she gave me more reason not to hold an over eager amount of suspicion about her. Others seemed inclined to suspect her on this account, but she clearly states the technical terms why. So, I don’t see this post as being one to ring bells of alarm.

As for Menel, I in some sense want to think he is just Ordo or gifted, and that he is just playing in his own style which sometimes might cause others to take what he jokes too seriously. Though, the pre-trial day of making the loud vs. quiet mini-argument (is there such a word? It wasn’t everyone’s argument though) suddenly the object of concern (even if it is to disband it) seems rather wolfish, since it is a good distraction. For that, I do have concern about the actions of Menel.

As for McCaber, I can see reasons why he would want to really, play it safe. Though, I’m not going to let the ‘newbie’ air cloud anything around him, since there have been first time players before who’ve really changed the course of the game, especially aided for better or worse, by the nodding off that ‘well, they’re just new’. Personally, when I think someone plays for the first time they might be new to werewolf, but I don’t think they are new to the concept of hiding and talking artfully, on any level of pragmatics. So, I am going to keep an eye out for him, just because I’m ‘nice’ and think he has far more to show just yet, and explain.

I don’t have much of an opinion on Legate just yet, but after reading his later posts, this especially stuck out for some reason:

Originally Posted by Legate

The innocent person will know I lied if I said I am ordo/gifted and he were the same thing.

Which is true, but the innocent wouldn’t say it flat out. Plus, anyone could claim to be anything as of now, whether they knew another’s statement was true or not. It doesn’t mean the other person knows who they are.
This kind of bothered me a little, but I have far more suspicion on Menel at the moment than one little thing by Legate. Since, we all end up doing little things in werewolf that we look back on say, ‘Doh!’
As for the voting of Legate, that does have suspicion, but I think it might have been done to avoid as what happened the second day, plus there was a general rush to the vote. Which can be good if you’re a wolf and want an easy way out of things, then to just bandwagon and hide for the next six days going over things and what to say.

But I'd hate to actually vote him with that reason, so please, Shasta, talk.

And lastly, I really have to agree on this. Shasta, please if you could say anything it would help, just opinion wise. It doesn’t have to be a polished theory or anything, though it would be nice if you said something. I don’t see the reason in voting because of this, because if anything I would want to vote because of a reasonable logic.

I'm sorry about leaving now, but I have a class in the morning and I should be able to be back in about 2 1/2 hours or so, and maybe later on after that if there is enough time.
Sorry about this, it looks like our day's access was completely chopped up.

~ Ka