Werewolf XLII: The meaning of life forever

[Aganzir]

If Rikae wasn't a wolf and the wolves lynch one innocent (or no one) today, they win.

I really don't know what to think of the narration. Rikae's death looks like that of a wolf, but if Volo isn't going to reveal the roles in public I fail to see why he would give hints in the narrations either. So better not count on that.

Voted for Nogrod:
Brinniel, Rikae, Lommy, McCaber.
And they all look(ed) more or less bad.
Brinn because she kept hesitating. "I don't know whom to believe" stuff always makes me wary.
Rikae for how she kept questioning Nog.
Lommy for quite obvious reasons.
Cab's vote was obviously in regards of self-preservation, but there's the same wrong thing as with Greenie's vote: he doesn't mention he's leading in votes; he votes Noggie "only" because there's a chance that he'll take a wolf with him.

Originally Posted by Caber, the post before voting

Nogrod, with these odds, you would have a better chance of killing a gifted than a wolf. Unless you absolutely have a wolf, I think it would be better to lynch you now and take a wolf with you.

I don't understand this statement since Nog was absolutely having a wolf.
Nog was going to kill Lommy in the night. Nog said he considered hunting Rikae. And then comes Caber and says it'd be better to lynch Nog, which would mean only one person dying with him. That screams wolf to me.

I wouldn't be ready to risk lynching Lommy.

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Originally Posted by Isabell

I choose to place my vote with Agan, because she has consistantly been against Lommy.. yet instead of voting thusly; she has added McCaber. If anything is speaks to her wolfishness, because it seems she has a bit of a case of tunnel vision.

I didn't vote her for reasons I found quite obvious. If Nog said he'd rather kill her at night, ok then, though I would have preferred to lynch her. And I would have preferred not to lynch Nog. So instead of demonstrating & being the only one to vote Lommy I rather voted for another I found suspicious.

edit: xed with three Lommys and Kath & soon off to sleep.

[Meneltarmacil]

I, for one, would consider lynching Lommy, given that Nogrod indeed appears to be a Hunter, and think she's probably the best choice.

Valier is still suspicious, for reasons I mentioned yesterDay. She's second on my list.

McCaber, well I do see some wolfishness in his behavior, but I think it would be a little risky to lynch him just yet rather than one of the other two I mentioned.

By the way, if Nogrod was a wolf instead of a Gifted, as has been suggested, lynching Lommy wouldn't instantly kill us, since with Nogrod dead the wolves would not equal us in numbers. Still, we need to be cautious. I also note that Lommy has implicated Valier as a wolf, suggesting the two of them aren't both Wolves. Could likely be a trick in case one or the other is lynched: It makes the survivor look like an innocent.

[Thinlómien]

Menel, you're wrong.

And yes, go on and lynch me and I'll die as a martyr and you'll know I was innocent...

[Thinlómien]

I'm going to sleep now and will be back in the early-ish afternoon my time (which is GMT+2).

Please think about everything I've said.

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Kath

What I do want to know though is something mentioned by our dear Mod about Lommy being immortal for the Night or the Day? If she has chosen to be Immortal toDay I'm assuming that means she can't be lynched.

I believe it is because Lommy cast the tie-breaking/ decisive vote. Thus, she gains immortality for that night and the next day I believe. Not too sure about the latter, but I know it is true for that night.

Not too sure whether I was supposed to say that either, but I think it is in the rules, somewhere. Sorry if that was a 'no-no', but for once I finally know the mechanics. Yay...

Though, I am much more perplexed why Naria was attacked by the wolves. It makes little sense, beyond giving some insight on how well the wolves faired with their PM's last night, which should be good news I guess, but I dunno. Still am suspicious about exactly why.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Are you silly or are you a wolf? White is the colour of ghosts. White wolf = Ghost wolf. Ghost wolf = the wolf who just died = Nogrod aka Rikae's lover. Simple symbolics.

Speaking of symbolism, when I read that I kept thinking of the 'Great White Buffalo'... Which, I doubt Volo used in any connection to Rikae, because it is completely change the whole meaning. The interpretations so far are much more appropriate.

Just wished to check in, I won't be available for some time tomorrow, I have to go in for some school-related testing, but should be able to check in after that. My time is GMT-8:00 and I should be gone from 6am-11am. If that is of any help.
Okay, I am going back to reading posts now, should have something better to say soon.

~ Ka

[Kath]

I would actually suggest not voting Lommy toDay. We have still had no real answer about this Immortal thing and if we do try to lynch her toDay only to find that we can't it means a wasted lynch.

So, I would suggest leaving Lommy for now and trying to catch a different wolf. Presumably she can't choose to be Immortal every Day so we'll be able to get her eventually.

Ah! In fact I've just seen Ka's post about that so it looks like she will become available to lynch tomorrow.

In which case, who else do we have as possible wolves? My list of yesterDay was:
Lommy
McCaber
Valier
Ka

I'm recanting my suspicion of Ka somewhat mostly because she came out with the Immortality explanation. I'm aware that was in the rules but if she was a wolf I doubt she'd help us avoid the possibility of a wasted lynch. So, let's have a look at McCaber and Valier.

McCaber - explains his lack of a vote clearly blaming RL reasons (which can't be argued with) and says he would have voted Roa because Naria came across as very innocent. If McCaber was a wolf it would make quite a lot of sense to have killed someone he so clearly marked as innocent to avoid suspicion. Mentions Lommy but tries to deflect attention from her. Pretty keen on lynching Nog though, which does alter my thoughts a bit. Lommy was trying very hard to stay alive yesterDay, would a fellow wolf be quite so bold as to try and get her killed even if it was through Nog? I don't know. It is possible, McCaber does seem to get this game and so I think he would be aware that this might possibly put him in a good light.

Now as far as I can see Valier didn't post or vote. Was there an RL reason for that which I missed?

Oh yes, and Naria, I said I would look at why she was killed but there's nothing to look at. She made one post and didn't vote, so the choice of her was probably made for it's safety. How can there be trails if she never spoke?

So I think overall my opinion of McCaber is still much the same as yesterDay, as well as that of Valier although I would like to hear something from her. It's just, you have two people in a Day that don't talk and that's Valier and Naria. Everyone knows Valier's instincts, why not get rid of her if you have the chance? Well, because she is a wolf. So my vote is likely to go to one of them toDay considering this possible Immortality of Lommy.

EDIT: That third sentence, I mean Lommy will become available to lynch not Ka.

[Brinniel]

Just to clarify the rules with a quote:

Originally Posted by Volo

-The player to cast the decisive vote during a Stage2 Day may PM the Mod and choose to be protected either for the next Night or the next Day.

Lommy is a wolf. Nogrod proved his honesty with his death and hunt of Rikae. I admit I find it a bit strange he chose her rather than a known wolf, but I suppose it's because he was confident we'd have two wolves this way...let's hope he's right. While she may be very clever with her Rikae and Nogrod are lovers trick, she just saying that to confuse us. We can't believe anything Lommy says.

And of course to lynch her would just be foolish. We can't know when she chose to be protected and I'd rather not risk it. We can always lynch Lommy toMorrow; we just have to make sure we don't let her make the decisive vote again.

Right now, I honestly don't like how Menel pulls for the lynching of Lommy...after Kath's post, he should know it would be too risky. He also leaves open the slight possiblity of Lommy's innocence, which I don't believe for one second...wavering even slightly about something like that seems wolfy to me.

I also want a closer look at McCaber...some of the things he said yesterDay made me uneasy. I will take a better look at his posts later.

Right now, I must head off to the shower and then bed because I am completely exhausted. A reminder that I must vote extremely early toDay...I should be able to return briefly in the morning, but that is all. Very sorry about that.

[Meneltarmacil]

My apologies for not seeing the immortality thing.

OK, in that case, we really shouldn't lynch Lommy.

Valier could be an option, but it still hangs on whether Legate was telling the truth about being innocent.

McCaber's lynching would give us the advantage of knowing for sure that the wolf from his Day is dead, but we've only got a 1 in 3 chance that he's a Wolf.

I'm planning to vote for Valier, as there are better odds that she's a wolf from my point of view (but it's still 1 in 3 from yours, as I know many of you doubt my claim of being a Protector).

[Valier]

hello dear villagers. let me apologize again for my lateness. I have read through most of yesterday but I wanted to make a few things clear.

I think I may have been wrong in lynching Legate. I think he was the gifted. Menel is the wolf. I was actually surprised when I read very early on in the day that Menel suspected me, and then votes me with no hesitation. I think to myself why would he suspect me right away, when he was the one who voted Legate in the first place... I also noticed this in Legate's post

Originally Posted by Legate

If Valier is a wolf, Menel is just an innocent who made a mistake.

and his last like four posts. I will not put them all here, but if you go and read them I am certain Legate WAS a gifted. Which would explain a lot about Menel and his behavior yesterday. Really if he was the Ranger how would we ever know? I, my fellow villagers am an Innocent. Now, there is a good chance that Menel is the Ranger, which is Yay!! but why would the wolves not have killed him last night? and why the sudden turn, almost blindly I may add...towards me?

Ok I am going to finish up my reading and I'll be back to comment on the other groups of threes.

[satansaloser2005]

OH! I miscounted! Hahahaha! Forget that whole last post then....nice knowing ya village!