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Old 01-29-2008, 01:42 PM   #1
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It could touch souls and minds. I think the whole idea of the Nazgūl sensing the Ring's presence is because of the magnitude of its presence in the spiritual realm. Of course if the Ring wants to go back to its master, but is bound to the spiritual realm in a physical object, it might try and contact its master's servants through the same realm.
"To touch souls and minds" - That's what I call "emitting the signal". No, I didn't mean supersonic beeps, I meant osanwe contact. So, I don't see any contradiction in our ideas.
But maybe you think that the Ring tried to touch souls and minds - to make manifest its presence intermittently? It is theoretically possible, but then some cases are hard to explain. For instance how come Gandalf the Maia, wielder of one of the Three failed to recognize this presence?

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We find in the Reader's Companion that the Dūnedain sent for him because he was the only one who successfully might resist the Nazgūl.
I am not aware of this, though I have read the RC. Can you post the quote, please?

And, as Legate, I don't think Khamul was not paying attention. He should have had - after all, he was chosen to go to Hobbitton because of his sensitivity to the Ring.

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Legate: More likely now, I would presume that someone else led the assaults on Lórien (remember there wasn't only one!) and that Khamul, or another Nazgul for that matter, would carry messages about the war to Mordor. That's a much better way of using the (Winged) Nazgul's abilities.
The best way was to send him lead the assault and when it failed, make him come to report about it in person.

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Legate: So: Ulmo's power, yes, but not "direct", rather some "immanent" power.
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Old 01-29-2008, 01:50 PM   #2
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But maybe you think that the Ring tried to touch souls and minds - to make manifest its presence intermittently? It is theoretically possible, but then some cases are hard to explain. For instance how come Gandalf the Maia, wielder of one of the Three failed to recognize this presence?
Quite true, I hadn't thought of that. It may be that the Ring can "disguise" it's power, but that is entirely theoretical.

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I am not aware of this, though I have read the RC. Can you post the quote, please?
Sorry, I don't have the RC. But I'm sure it's in there, when the Nazgūl are trying to enter the Shire. The Witch-king drives the Dūnedain from the ford at night and then pursues with some of the wraiths while the others enter the Shire to search for the Ring.
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Sorry, I don't have the RC. But I'm sure it's in there, when the Nazgûl are trying to enter the Shire. The Witch-king drives the Dûnedain from the ford at night and then pursues with some of the wraiths while the others enter the Shire to search for the Ring.
That's even in the UT, but nothing implies that Aragorn had power in the Wraith-world. I believe it was only because of Aragorn's "natural" strength, leadership and other qualities why the Rangers sent for him. The encounter at Bruinen also does not prove anything about this matter - Frodo sees Glorfindel as the shining figure in the wraith-world, but no trace of Aragorn.
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Old 01-29-2008, 02:22 PM   #4
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You must have referred to this quote then:
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[The nazgul]came to Sarn Ford and the southernmost borders of the Shire. They found them guarded for the Rangers barred their way. But this was a task beyond the power of the Dunedain; and maybe it would still have proved a even if their captain, Aragorn, had been with them. But he was away to the north, upon the East Road near Bree; and the hearts even of the Dunedain misgave them.
Nothing is said that they sent for Aragorn, instead it is told that his presence likely wouldn't have made much difference.
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