Dueling Wizards Werewolf Suggestion Thread

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But I do like the idea that the Wizards could not "protect" their minions from a scry but only others. That might also bring forwards a possibility that the GW protects a wolf on one Night...

Surely not? Because under such circumstances the Wolf would be turned into an Innocent. Or should I shut up and wait till the rules are issued in some nice, summarized, easily-readable version? (which is an important and even necessary task which is in front of you, Nog )

[Boromir88]

Alright, so just some observations from the first Dueling Wizards game that I remember.

I will first tell Legate, that yes the sub-mods had to be around a lot, but I knew that when I told lmp I'd do it. I assure you I got enough sleep, and I hope to all my evil companions I did an efficient job of sending the information to all the necessary people. As soon as I saw a message I forwarded it right back out. So, yes, the sub-mod needs to be someone who has a lot of available time, and is on often, but I didn't have any issues with getting the information to the right people in a reasonable time. (Well at least I didn't hear Roa complaining about me )

But, the sub-mod definitely has to be someone with the time and comittment to do the job...something I can't do this time around but I am hoping to be able to get into a DW game if one is started.

As far as the game balance, lmp, had many many dry runs before starting his game and it had turned out pretty even. I think the Good team was disadvantaged with only being able to PM during the day, because on top of trying to do the ordinary day business of analyzing and voting, the GW had to try to communicate with his gifteds as far as what action should be done. And it didn't seem like Gurthang could plan as effectively as Roa, simply because of only being able to PM during the day. So, definitely letting both teams only PM at night should alleviate some of the "work load" the GW has to do, and they could plan more effectively.

Also, before we do start, clear rules for everything definitely has to be established for a game as complex as this one. I remember an issue right off the bat, it was a while ago and don't remember the exact details (maybe someone else does?). I just remember lmp, Kuru, and myself awarding Roa an extra kill at one point because of something we all felt was unfair. At that time that was the decision we thought was appropriate, and I believe as Gurthang pointed out before the extra kill hurt the good team.

However, that wasn't the only reason the evil team was able to win and win pretty decisively. I thought the biggest reason was Roa's play as the evil wizard. She definitely had a great plan, did a great job of executing her plan, and overall just being in control. I think the GW could have done a better job of planning had he been able to communicate at night, because only being able to communicate during the day was, when you also have to worry about posting and finding wolves, was just too much. You had that situation when tp was awaiting for directions from the GW and so on, so allowing both teams to only communicate at night I think would solve that.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Alright, so just some observations from the first Dueling Wizards game that I remember.

I will first tell Legate, that yes the sub-mods had to be around a lot, but I knew that when I told lmp I'd do it. I assure you I got enough sleep, and I hope to all my evil companions I did an efficient job of sending the information to all the necessary people. As soon as I saw a message I forwarded it right back out. So, yes, the sub-mod needs to be someone who has a lot of available time, and is on often, but I didn't have any issues with getting the information to the right people in a reasonable time. (Well at least I didn't hear Roa complaining about me )

I thought you did a great job. You were very helpful.

As far as the game balance, lmp, had many many dry runs before starting his game and it had turned out pretty even. I think the Good team was disadvantaged with only being able to PM during the day, because on top of trying to do the ordinary day business of analyzing and voting, the GW had to try to communicate with his gifteds as far as what action should be done. And it didn't seem like Gurthang could plan as effectively as Roa, simply because of only being able to PM during the day. So, definitely letting both teams only PM at night should alleviate some of the "work load" the GW has to do, and they could plan more effectively.

I'd forgotten that LMP did a bunch of dry runs. Perhaps the ability to talk at Night is the only thing we need to change to even things out.

Also, before we do start, clear rules for everything definitely has to be established for a game as complex as this one. I remember an issue right off the bat, it was a while ago and don't remember the exact details (maybe someone else does?). I just remember lmp, Kuru, and myself awarding Roa an extra kill at one point because of something we all felt was unfair. At that time that was the decision we thought was appropriate, and I believe as Gurthang pointed out before the extra kill hurt the good team.

Are you refering to the extra kill my wolves got each Night once they reached a certain number? I thought that was to move things along more quickly (30 people is a lot to kill, after all). The only extra thing besides that I got was an extra turn one Night to replace a wolf that was unfairly taken from me. If you recall, TP, the new hunter, refused to pick a person to hunt with out talking to the GW (as you mentioned) so when my wolves killed him, LMP decided to give him an automatic wolf kill. I protested, Gurthang protested, and I was given an extra cursing the next Night.

However, that wasn't the only reason the evil team was able to win and win pretty decisively. I thought the biggest reason was Roa's play as the evil wizard. She definitely had a great plan, did a great job of executing her plan, and overall just being in control. I think the GW could have done a better job of planning had he been able to communicate at night, because only being able to communicate during the day was, when you also have to worry about posting and finding wolves, was just too much.

Aww, thank you. I agree, the good team should be allowed to communicate during Nights, rather than Days. That could significantly balance things, if the GW has the opportunity to plan like the EW.

I like the idea of Wizardly protections, but not whole game. That would just get silly. The next Night should be good enough. I don't think it would be easy to keep track of who was protected and who wasn't, and when the protections were up if we did it for multiple Nights. Trust me, by the time each wizard has their roster full, IF they ever get their roster full, there won't be that many people left in the village. People drop like flies in this game.

[Kuruharan]

I would love to grace everyone with the sparkling brilliance of my input at being the good submod...alas, I don't really remember anything about it.

The only thing I really remember is having to step in when lmp couldn't be there to post about the wizards duel and everyone was just twiddling their thumbs.

I'll try to re-read and see if I can remember anything.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

So, yes, the sub-mod needs to be someone who has a lot of available time, and is on often, but I didn't have any issues with getting the information to the right people in a reasonable time.

I do agree with this. If the mod and the sub-mods are up to their task there should be no problem there. And if Roa actually is the other one of the sub-mods I have not a slightest doubt about her commitment. And in the end the Wizard decides so it's only the problem of the "Chosen ones" if they miss their chance of making their stands.

Originally Posted by Boro

As far as the game balance, lmp, had many many dry runs before starting his game and it had turned out pretty even. I think the Good team was disadvantaged with only being able to PM during the day, because on top of trying to do the ordinary day business of analyzing and voting, the GW had to try to communicate with his gifteds as far as what action should be done. And it didn't seem like Gurthang could plan as effectively as Roa, simply because of only being able to PM during the day. So, definitely letting both teams only PM at night should alleviate some of the "work load" the GW has to do, and they could plan more effectively.

I think it is obvious we'll let the GW PM with her team during the Nights this time. The only problem is whether that is enough to balance the game.

And even if I myself think one should run a host of dry-runs before trying a new concept I'd also remind of the fact that dry-runs are only random results. If Lommy and A little Green will take the bait we might try the dry runs some weekend we'll be together and we could see how it works with some more specified gaming as well. *

Originally Posted by Boro

Also, before we do start, clear rules for everything definitely has to be established for a game as complex as this one.

Absolutely! I think no one wishes to relive the situation where lmp needed to make a hasty decision. And that's the reason why I have wished to have this discussion going on. I mean not everyone needs to know all the rules by heart when the game begins but there should be a place where anyone could check them if they just became interested or if their role-change made it important

Originally Posted by Boro

but I am hoping to be able to get into a DW game if one is started.

I'd surely like to see in our game!

* I thought of trying this one out with Lommy & Greenie in a way that would also take notice of the different personalities of people possibly playing. I mean the any one seer looks differently to Legate and Shasta (or Spm and Valier) as they have very different profiles... The Wizards surely take these different profiles into account but I would just be intersted to try it out not purely random but with a few different scenarios where the Wizards would have different tactics (scrying the silent ones vs. scrying the opinion-shifters etc.). But we'll see about that...