Elrond and Sauron, a personal vendetta?

[Ibrîniðilpathânezel]

Frankly, I can see that many people in Middle-earth -- Elrond, Galadriel, Cirdan, Thranduil, etc. -- would have personal reasons for wanting vengeance against Sauron. That Galadriel is a woman is, I think, not an issue; after all, the saying "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" came about for a reason. There may be more men fighting wars because more men are in positions of power, but put a woman there, and often the very qualities which brought her to that position and kept her there make her capable of being as ruthless as any man. I suspect it was with good reason that many Men of Middle-earth feared the Sorceress of the Golden Wood. Galadriel would have more reasons than what happened with Finrod to want revenge against Sauron. It was Sauron, after all, who decimated Eregion and the Gwaith-i-Mirdain. Even if she did not return Celebrimbor's love (another person Sauron tortured and killed quite heinously), she accepted the ring of power he gave her, and we do know that she strongly desired a way to preserve her own realm in Middle-earth. Sauron's betrayal in forging the One Ring at first made her unable to use the gift she was given; only after he lost the One was she able to use Nenya, and then cautiously, since there was no certainty that Sauron was gone and that the One would not be found again. If the One had never been made, how much more would she and the bearers of the Three have been able to accomplish, preserving and enhancing Middle-earth? I'd say she has some mighty strong grounds for wanting vengeance -- and given what Frodo saw in her in the moments before she refused the One (not to mention her defense of Lorien during the war and her cleansing of Dol Guldur afterward), I think her wrath and her revenge would have been as terrible as any man's, if she had had the means to take it.

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Ibrîniðilpathânezel

That Galadriel is a woman is, I think, not an issue; after all, the saying "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" came about for a reason.

Who scorned Galadriel? Sauron? I'm certain that she's not the type of person who would want Sauron to like her.

Originally Posted by Ibrîniðilpathânezel

There may be more men fighting wars because more men are in positions of power, but put a woman there, and often the very qualities which brought her to that position and kept her there make her capable of being as ruthless as any man.

True, very true. I did say that there were exceptions, but I doubt she could be as mean spirited as Elrond could have been.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

True, very true. I did say that there were exceptions, but I doubt she could be as mean spirited as Elrond could have been.

Groin, I hope I'm not being really patronising and annoying by asking this... but you are by any chance thinking of the movie version of Elrond rather than the book version?

[Ibrîniðilpathânezel]

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Who scorned Galadriel? Sauron? I'm certain that she's not the type of person who would want Sauron to like her.

Now, why did I know someone would say that?

Still, if you look at it in a metaphorical rather than romantic sense, one could say that Sauron scorned Galadriel by denying her the use of Nenya's power. Since "scorn" means to to reject or dismiss as contemptible or unworthy, she might have looked upon Sauron's betrayal as a dismissal of her worthiness to rule a realm of her own in Middle-earth, a feeling that her inability to use Nenya for years could well have compounded.

Well, one could look at it that way, anyhow.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

instead he led the relief force when Sauron attacked Ost-in-Edhil where Celebrimbor son of Curufin and most of the remaining Noldor dwelt.

Of course, when Tolkien wrote that narrative Celebrimbor came from Gondolin and wasn't a Feanorian at all!