Tolkien as a British Character

[Bêthberry]

Originally Posted by Lalwendë

Well you could just say "madness is akin to genius" ("...and other cliches...") and have done but that's dismissing him as a British eccentric. That's correct. Because he was eccentric.

Tolkien is small-fry in the mad stakes in comparison, though in and of himself he was somewhat odd being a Catholic in a very CofE city and University. I've heard it said many a time that Oxford is a bit like a magnet for eccentrics.

Well, yes, about the genius/madness bit. I can't help but consider Tolkien and Blake together. Both created vast mythologies, new deities, poetry, and visual arts. Blake apparently used to sit naked under trees and converse with angels, but I've never heard of Tolkien doing this. Sitting under trees, yes, but not starkers. And I can't recall anything in the bio or the letters about Tollers conversing with Ulmo, Manwe, Varda, Melkor.

So this is the point I was rather interested in: is Tolkien "small-fry in the mad stakes"? Was he more eccentric than his compatriots and fellow countrymen?

Frankly, I wonder about his political acumen when I read about a girdle holding a country together. Granted the meaning of girdle as corset or restraining undergarment didn't come into vogue until c. 1925, I still have strange images of a female leader walking around with ungirded loins while her country survives a tight squeeze.

And could he not twig to how the name Asfaloth sounds? Think of the sport actors would have crying out to their fellow thespians as they walk on stage, Bregalad. Isn't there a bit of fun in Aragorn becoming King E-lesser? And if a farmer can be named Maggot, can readers have fun with dropping the 'heitch' of North Farthing--"Is wasn't me that dropped one, Maw, it was the cat." Or seeing a similarity of sound and rhythm between Undomiel and Ungoliant? Going and doing they lay waste their powers?

Frankly, I think this kind of word play is the opposite of what Lal calls a desire to avoid boastfulness: it's the very kind of arrogance that hides its silliness in a seeming display of learnedness. We tend to take Tolkien's languages as something serious, sacred, even sacrosanct, but I think The Good Professor was too eccentric to be so sombre. Tollers was a Python before their time.

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Even in his own lifetime, JRRT's rep leaned toward the slight;y off-center:

from a campus novel called A Memorial Service by J.I.M. Stewart:

‘A sad case,’ [the Regius Professor] concluded unexpectedly.

‘Timbermill’s, you mean?’

‘Yes, indeed. A notable scholar, it seems. Unchallenged in his field. But he ran off the rails somehow, and produced a long mad book – a kind of apocalyptic romance.’

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

Frankly, I think this kind of word play is the opposite of what Lal calls a desire to avoid boastfulness: it's the very kind of arrogance that hides its silliness in a seeming display of learnedness. We tend to take Tolkien's languages as something serious, sacred, even sacrosanct, but I think The Good Professor was too eccentric to be so sombre. Tollers was a Python before their time.

And there's another aspect of British culture, the urge to downplay everything, and it's maybe why Tolkien's work is full of jokes and amusing characters. It's all very well, being sort of grand and Wagnerian, but it's just not cricket to get too pompous about things.

Take a look at Gandalf and his sense of humour. You can just imagine him coming down from Caradhras and giving a little shiver and saying "Bit nippy up there chaps!" Captain Oates words to Scott in the Antarctic were typically British: "I am just going outside and may be some time" which meant he was walking off into a blizzard in order to commit suicide for the sake of his comrades.

Though to be truly mad, you really need to be stinking rich, as then you can get away with it - ordinary mad people just get locked up but if Lords go barmy we just laugh and go "Heh, look, he's a real eccentric." Like at the 5th Duke of Portland, my favourite Mr Mad.

[Bêthberry]

Timbermill, that's a right proper nick for the old guy. Nice find, WCH.

We seem stymied here between saying that all the English are barmy and saying that only some of them are. So, let's climb a little higher into the Tolkien family tree.

If JRRT was eccentric and quirky, was CRT?

[Mithalwen]

One of Orwell's essays - I think it is "England, your England" mentions the English love of hobbies... and the privateness of the way of life

another English characteristic which is so much a part of us that we barely notice it, and that is the addiction to hobbies and spare-time occupations, the privateness of English life. We are a nation of flower-lovers, but also a nation of stamp-collectors, pigeon-fanciers, amateur carpenters, coupon-snippers, darts-players, crossword-puzzle fans. All the culture that is most truly native centres round things which even when they are communal are not official—the pub, the football match, the back garden, the fireside and the ‘nice cup of tea’. The liberty of the individual is still believed in, almost as in the nineteenth century. But this has nothing to do with economic liberty, the right to exploit others for profit. It is the liberty to have a home of your own, to do what you like in your spare time, to choose your own amusements instead of having them chosen for you from above.


http://whitewolf.newcastle.edu.au/wo...d/england.html
Even though Orwellwas writing over half a century ago I think a lot of what he says holds true. There may be the aristocratic eccentrics who have left their legacy of glorious follies but they exist across society.

[Gwathagor]

I'm inclined to believe that Tolkien was not eccentric in the least, but, on the contrary, remarkably sane.

[The Sixth Wizard]

Look, Cambridge built a bridge, Oxford swam across. Who do you think is simpler?

[Eönwë]

Or rather, who doesn't bother with the unuseful tasks.