Is it possible: 1 Silmaril found: The Arkenstone - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

skip spence · 03-20-2008, 08:22 AM

Nope, I don't think so.

To begin with the Lonely Mountain must've been very far from the place where Maedros threw the silmaril down a firery pit. I find it highly unlikely that it would have travelled under the crust of the earth to be refound countless leagues east of where it was originally lost.

zxcvbn · 03-21-2008, 12:55 AM

There are plenty of stories about famous jewels in Middle-earth. The Arkenstone and the Silmarils are two different things with different histories.

Groin Redbeard · 03-22-2008, 06:50 PM

There has been a lot of talk about how the Arkenstone couldn't have been a Silmaril because only the good can touch it without being burned, and Thorin wasn't at all good. This I think isn't true in the case of Thorin, although he seemed mean on the outside with confronting the men of the Dale and the elves the way that he did, but when he was on his death bed that's when his true colors showed. So yes I do believe that the Arkenstone is a Silmaril.

Rune Son of Bjarne · 03-22-2008, 11:54 PM

I agree. . . being stubborn and narrow minded does not = evil

Eönwë · 03-23-2008, 05:18 PM

Also, he is not of the original children of Illuvatar- maybe the same standards don't apply.

William Cloud Hicklin · 03-24-2008, 02:18 PM

But Varda's curse extended not just to evil creatures, but mortal flesh. Beren was a particular exception, but no other Man (or Dwarf) could have handled a Silmaril unscathed.

Eönwë · 03-24-2008, 04:58 PM

She could have made them an exception, if it helped with the Plan.

03-20-2008, 08:22 AM	#1
skip spence shadow of a doubt Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Back on the streets Posts: 1,125	Nope, I don't think so. To begin with the Lonely Mountain must've been very far from the place where Maedros threw the silmaril down a firery pit. I find it highly unlikely that it would have travelled under the crust of the earth to be refound countless leagues east of where it was originally lost. __________________ "You can always come back, but you can't come back all the way" ~ Bob Dylan

03-22-2008, 06:50 PM	#3
Groin Redbeard Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Facing the world's troubles with Christ's hope! Posts: 1,635	There has been a lot of talk about how the Arkenstone couldn't have been a Silmaril because only the good can touch it without being burned, and Thorin wasn't at all good. This I think isn't true in the case of Thorin, although he seemed mean on the outside with confronting the men of the Dale and the elves the way that he did, but when he was on his death bed that's when his true colors showed. So yes I do believe that the Arkenstone is a Silmaril. __________________ I heard the bells on Christmas Day. Their old, familiar carols play. And wild and sweet the words repeatof peace on earth, good-will to men! ~Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

03-23-2008, 05:18 PM	#5
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Also, he is not of the original children of Illuvatar- maybe the same standards don't apply. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

03-24-2008, 02:18 PM	#6
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,332	But Varda's curse extended not just to evil creatures, but mortal flesh. Beren was a particular exception, but no other Man (or Dwarf) could have handled a Silmaril unscathed. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

03-24-2008, 04:58 PM	#7
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	She could have made them an exception, if it helped with the Plan. __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

03-21-2008, 12:55 AM	#2
zxcvbn Wight Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In front of my PC Posts: 164	There are plenty of stories about famous jewels in Middle-earth. The Arkenstone and the Silmarils are two different things with different histories.

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