Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Aethelward!

Great start, Gwath! As Gwath intuited (or perhaps deduced), these three are Eorlings and ought to have Eorling names.

I've finally had a chance to read some recent posts, such as yours, Groin. I see that you have taken it upon yourself to give one of the guards a name, which is appropriate. "Lithor". Seems like a reasonable name to me. Shall we make it two guards that we need names for, and accept "Lithor"? Groin, what do you think? Otherwise, we could add it to the list. I'll do that for now until we decide.

1. Æthelward
2. Lithor
3.

One other thing, Groin, the White Mountains are 50 miles away from Scarburg. It would take more than a day to get there, and then the hunt could begin, and then more than a day to get back. I think you don't want that. The hunting is pretty much going to have to happen on the open plains within perhaps ten miles (or twenty?) from Scarburg, where presumably some sort of herd animal, deer-like, or whatnot, could be found roaming. The Scar of rocky hills runs westward from the River Entwash for perhaps thirty miles, and Scarburg is about 20 miles west of the Entwash. South of the Scar there are inhabited lands for farming; north of the Scar has not been determined, but it could very well be empty except for game.

Incidentally, it was a nice stroke to have Balvir name Matrim as his Lieutenant, a word which is of French derivation. As Eorlings are based on Anglo-Saxon, the Gondorians are based on French or Roman, so that works quite well, and you could have Erbrand notice the foreign word too, as another indication of their "Gondorian-ness".

One last thing: Gwath, is Crabannan familiar with Gondorian? "Recompense" is a Latinate word and not something the boys would even recognize, being boys as well as Eorling.

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Seems like a reasonable name to me. Shall we make it two guards that we need names for, and accept "Lithor"? Groin, what do you think?

We can keep Lithor on the list for now, but if anyone comes up with a better name I'll willingly change it (my post was rash and hurried). However, Æthelward is wonderful name! Great going, Gwathagor!

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

One other thing, Groin, the White Mountains are 50 miles away from Scarburg.

Dang it, it all looks so small on the map. I'll change it right away.

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

you could have Erbrand notice the foreign word too, as another indication of their "Gondorian-ness".

I'll change that too. Thanks for your help, LMP.

It was sheer brilliance with your characters entry, Gwathagor! It's like your character can't escape his fate of causing (intentionally or unintentionally) brawls!

[Thinlómien]

Gwathagor, you're making me laugh, almost hysterically! That post!

Originally Posted by LMP

With AEdhel in the tent as healer, either Modtryth or Rowenna could be excused as there's no need for two errand runners. Which one shall stay and which one shall go? Any thoughts, Lommy? It doesn't matter to me.

I think it might be dramatics-wise be more interesting if Rowenna stayed, but it would make more sense if Modtryth stayed, as she knows Saeryn, unlike Rowenna (do Aedhel and Saeryn know each other?) and it might be nicer for Saeryn to have Modtryth around around. Would either of Modtryth and Rowenna be especially needed somewhere else?

Names? Hmm... What about Wilcred? Or Osmund? Or Alfhere? Or Elfric (or Ælfric, is that sounds better)?

Personally, I think we should avoid having too many æ's and ð's - as interesting as they are - as Tolkien was kind enough to translitter the names in a more "reader-friendly" way... I mean, sometimes the names we use here in the Meadhall sound so authentically Anglo-Saxon that they don't actually fit nicely with the names of the Rohirrim in LotR.

[Eönwë]

You could go with some kingish names, like Alfred (or Ælfred if it makes you happier), or Redwald (Rædwald). Sorry Lommy.

And how about titles. like "...the..."/"...of the..."/"... ....-....[must be a kenning here]" depending on what they are.

And an interesting question Elempi would Eorlings name their swords?

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

And an interesting question Elempi would Eorlings name their swords?

Theoden and Eomer did: Huragrim and Guthwine.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Theoden and Eomer did: Huragrim and Guthwine.

Herugrim?

[littlemanpoet]

1. Æthelward
2. Lithor
3. Wilcred
4. Osmund
5. Alfhere
6. Elfric
7. Alfred
8. Redwald
9.

Just a note: my character, Eodwine, is named so in order to match Tolkien's chosen dialect of Anglo-Saxon, that of Mercia, which is the Norman term for 'the Mark'. So just as Eomer, so Eodwine. Which would change the above list, were we to follow the dialect, to:

1. Eothelward
2. Lithor
3. Wilcred
4. Eosmund
5. Eolfhere
6. Eolfric
7. Eolfred
8. Redwald
9.

Do you want to go for these more Eorling dialectal versions, or stick to the original suggestions? Or a mix?

Looks like Gwath has answered the sword question for me. However, Herugrim and Guthwine were the swords of kings and nobles, whereas Eorlings might be more humble and name their swords something like, "my sword". Unlesss, of course, it is of ancient lineage.

Oh, and on "blasted Norman thugs", I second the motion.

Lhuna, I may not get a chance to post today after all. Tomorrow for sure!

This is getting very, very fun!!!

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Oh, and on "blasted Norman thugs", I second the motion.

Thirded (or seconded if you caount my last post as saying this, btw, I've always said this)


ANYWAY...

Hopefully I'll get to post today if shaggydog PMs me. If not then I might still post but it will be quite short.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Just a note: my character, Eodwine, is named so in order to match Tolkien's chosen dialect of Anglo-Saxon, that of Mercia, which is the Norman term for 'the Mark'. So just as Eomer, so Eodwine. Which would change the above list, were we to follow the dialect, to:

1. Eothelward
2. Lithor
3. Wilcred
4. Eosmund
5. Eolfhere
6. Eolfric
7. Eolfred
8. Redwald
9.

Do you want to go for these more Eorling dialectal versions, or stick to the original suggestions? Or a mix?

I was going to say, that the names I gave, Redwald, would actually be Rædwald (Reodwald?) and Ælfred.

And maybe, we could say that people from different Emnets had different Anglo-Saxon dialects, but that might be pushing it. I'm not an expert on how Tolkien wanted the Rohirrim (Eorlings?) to speak Englisc.

[littlemanpoet]

Oops! I forgot all about this. Here are the 8 names collected for the three extra guards. The name Lithor has been getting used in a couple posts now by Erbrand, and if you like, that may be considered in your vote. You get to vote three times each. I will vote only to break a tie.

1. Æthelward
2. Lithor
3. Wilcred
4. Osmund
5. Alfhere
6. Elfric
7. Alfred
8. Redwald

Voting will conclude on June 15.

[Folwren]

Hey, I'm sorry about the brevity of the post. It got the essence of what I wanted into it. Anyway, I won't be posting for a looooong time. About an hour ago marked the beginning of the rehearsal for a wedding that I am in, so from now until after the reception tomorrow, I'm not going to be on.

Gwathagor, Javan's speech might make Crabannan seriously peeved.

-- Folwren

[Gwathagor]

It very well might.

[littlemanpoet]

Your turn, Lhuna!

Wow! That ended up being a long post! Saturday mornings are great for that.

Lommy, Foley, & Gwath, you now have Falco to deal with.

[Thinlómien]

Hmmm... I daresay that list with a dozen eo's looks a bit bad. Surely they all can't be named Eo-something?

The situation te,pts me but I'm afraid I won't have time to write before Monday. But I think you can continue it well without Cnebba doing anything special...

[Folwren]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

Lommy, Foley, & Gwath, you now have Falco to deal with.

Thank'ee. It appears that Javan is in Falco's debt, for he saved him from, if not a throttling, at least a shaking.

I don't know when I'll post next. Maybe tomorrow, but I'd rather wait for Lommy to post. Or Elempi.

-- Folwren

[shaggydog]

Eonwe, I tried to send you a PM but your box is full.

I will try to get a post up today/tonight.

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Elempi

Back on the old Eorling Mead Hall rpg thread, Nerindel posted for Matrim and I think also for Balvir. Go to Members List (just at the top of this "page" next to "User CP" and "FAQ"), and find Nerindel, then choose to look at all posts by her; that's probably the easiest way to find it.

Sorry I haven't noticed this before, but there's an easier way. (And a lot of good this will do, now Groin had already posted , but I'll say it anyway for future reference.) Click on the number of replies to the EMH thread, that's a link to the members who have posted to the thread. Look for Nerindel and click on the number of posts next to her name, that's a link to all her posts to the thread.

Originally Posted by Elempi

Whoa! Now there's an unexpected twist! You realize, of course, Lhuna (of course you do ), that Harreld could infer at least three different implications out of her words: 1, that she likes his company, 2, that she wishes to spend time with him, and 3, that she's willing to be courted after all. "If you will have me" indeed!

I shall have to ponder Harreld's thoughts and reply before I post.

I did realise that, and I can't wait to see where this goes! Truth be told, Ginna herself isn't sure what she really wants to happen; she's too focused on the present to give any thought to the future.

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

...she's too focused on the present to give any thought to the future.

And that, my friends, is the linchpin of the problem for Harreld.

[Kath]

Gwath, I replied to your post and left the end open so Crabannan can choose what he wants to share with Kara.

[piosenniel]

The errand rider from Gondor dismounted quickly and strode purposefully into the thread. He unfurled a parchment and nailed it to one of the walls:

***

Come one, come all, you denizens here and in far lands!!
All those who enjoy the reading of a good tale and the playing out of one.

A new name has been added to the list of storytellers in Gondor:

~*~ littlemanpoet ~*~

Come and give your congratulations to this wonderful wordsmith!

~*~ Free drinks/ free food/ & plenty of good company ~*~

***

Come to The Seventh Star Inn in Gondor and lift a glass to littlemanpoet.!!!

[Folwren]

Hey, everyone. I wanted to post this weekend. I really, really did. But it doesn't look like it's happening. If I get up really early tomorrow and work really fast, then maybe I will. But, the thing is, on the weekends, I need as much rest as I can get, so I don't see myself getting up early tomorrow. Sorry.

I didn't realize Thornden was with Eodwine and Leof. I guess that's alright. I thought he was off station guards and trying to find the people sneaking around camp. I guess I was wrong. Oh well. Have fun with him and Javan. And Saeryn.

-- Foley

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by littlemanpoet

One last thing: Gwath, is Crabannan familiar with Gondorian? "Recompense" is a Latinate word and not something the boys would even recognize, being boys as well as Eorling.

Nah, I just wasn't thinking carefully about his language, so he's speaking like I would, living in the linguistic aftermath of 1066. Blasted Norman thugs. I'll find a substitute directly.


EDIT: Well, I mean, sure, he would be familiar with Gondorian language, but he's smart enough and well-travelled enough to speak the native language of whatever country he happens to be passing through, and not speak in a kind of polyglot mish-mash. Like I wrote him doing. I'll watch out for that in the future.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

speak in a kind of polyglot mish-mash. Like I wrote him doing.

Well, thats English for you