Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[the phantom]

The voting-

morm for Brin
Sally for tp
Gwath for Sally
Kit for morm
Nerwen for Cailin
Roa for tp
Cel for Izzy
Rikae for morm
Izzy for Roa
Shasta for tp
Eonwe for tp
Cailin for Ner
Ka for Cel
Green for Gwath

tp- 4
morm- 2
Brin- 1
Sally- 1
Cailin- 1
Izzy- 1
Roa- 1
Ner- 1
Cel- 1
Gwath- 1

Regarding the most recent votes-

I don't want to vote for Cel. She could be a WW, but nothing has stood out to me and I don't think she is the EW.

Gwath- no clue. I need for the day to end to have time and go back and read over people's posts.

And then there's Nerwen. Finally someone cast a vote for someone who made my top 5 list. Right before the game started I made a list of the most likely Wizards, you see, and Nerwen was in the top five.

So right now she's my favorite target of the ones that have votes at this point, but I really ought to go back and read what she's posted today. Maybe after reading I won't be so inclined to vote for her.

[the phantom]

There are still 14 votes left out there, in case you were wondering.

[Lalaith]

Hmm...
I've been sitting here pondering my Volo/Aganzir/Nerwen/Roa axis of concern, while trying to keep up with new posts and voting.

I said earlier that Cailin had been talking sense, and her case against Nerwen echoed many of the thoughts I've been having. Aganzir I'm almost equally concerned about (this casual habit of picking up of theories and putting them down again) but of the two I think Nerwen is the more likely to be a EW.
Roa - would she be a wiz two games in a row? I doubt it. And Volo...he's talking a bit more on my wavelength in the last few posts he's made.
And then there's the Mac/Legate thing, I will keep an eye on that too tomorrow, if I am spared.
Enough pondering, it is time to act.
+++NERWEN

[Thinlómien]

I'd love to vote Agan and I know Brinn and Volo could do that too, but that really isn't much as tp already has 4 votes... I know I don't really enjoy him being around as he's mostly baffling and a nuisance but lynching him, I think, would be a mistake...

But none of the other vote candidates really appeal to me either... I must think.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I'd love to vote Agan and I know Brinn and Volo could do that too, but that really isn't much as tp already has 4 votes...

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

I don't really understand this Nerwen bandwagon, and I'd rather let her live.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I don't really understand this Nerwen bandwagon, and I'd rather let her live.

Agreed. And I really wouldn't like to choose between Nerwie and phantommy, because then I'd reall vote the latter, and like I just said, I think it would be a mistake. Like Volo said, it'd be just like so many recent villages: lynching an oddly behaving yet contributing villager who turns out to be innocent...


edit: xed with Dury and... Di! Fantastic!

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by tp

But as I pointed out before, our chances of hitting a WW while looking for the EW are probably just as good as hitting a WW while looking for a WW (at least on Day 1), and thus I do not want to lynch anyone today that people agree is not likely to have applied to be the EW.
Does everyone understand that point and agree with it?

Yes and yes, for me. But the current voting situation may affect my choice more than that, and people's level of suspiciousness definitely will.

Anyway, like I just said, I'd love to vote Agan. I'd also like to vote Kath because she has been rather unconstructive toDay, will probably slip under the radar, could have applied to be the EW and would be a good wolf pick for the EW. Sadly, I might have to choose someone else...


edit: xed with tp, Agan and morm

[the phantom]

I'm glad that you see where I am coming from Lommy.

Now, what do you know about Agan? Do you think she is the sort who would volunteer to be a Wizard? Does she have time for it?

And I agree with you about Kath. She was on my top five list as well.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Now, what do you know about Agan? Do you think she is the sort who would volunteer to be a Wizard? Does she have time for it?

Big yes to both. And she'd sell her soul to be the EW.

[the phantom]

Well look who decided to show up- my baby sister! Maybe I won't try and lynch you after all.

[the phantom]

The voting-

morm for Brin
Sally for tp
Gwath for Sally
Kit for morm
Nerwen for Cailin
Roa for tp
Cel for Izzy
Rikae for morm
Izzy for Roa
Shasta for tp
Eonwe for tp
Cailin for Ner
Ka for Cel
Green for Gwath
McCab for Ner
Mac for Legate
Lal for Ner
Dur for Ner

tp- 4
Ner- 4
morm- 2
Brin- 1
Sally- 1
Cailin- 1
Izzy- 1
Roa- 1
Cel- 1
Gwath- 1
Legate- 1

10 votes have not been cast.

[Durelin]

This 'choosing' thing is a bit silly, Lommy. Vote for who you feel is suspicious! Aren't there still a number of votes floating out there anyway (no, you can't rely on people showing up, but...)? Going on about how you don't want to vote for someone and making it seem like you have to...that's like sugar-coating to hide wolfy-ness.

Edit - crossed with a few people but doesn't really matter.

[Durelin]

I just had a random (okay, not so random, because people are talking about it, as always) thought... So...we treat 'bandwagons' like negative things. Doesn't it take a bandwagon to actually get anyone lynched? Isn't a bandwagon just any number of people voting for the same person?

Yes, I'm going to rant about every little thing that annoys me about these games whenever it suits me.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What's with all the questions, Lommy? You make the impression of a person who doesn't have own opinion to think. Which I don't think you are. Anyway, there's still looots of people to vote, so tp can be "overvoted", I think. Not that I see Nerwen lynched rather than him... although she might be a wolf, or an EW, maybe rather than him.

Tp, as for Agan being the EW... she well enough could. If it were to choose between her and some of the other two named, even she would do... but then... I really don't know. At least at the beginning I thought her innocentish. Lately probably other people's observations, or suspicions of her, influenced me as well in some way. But there are still other options which I had earlier... hm.

EDIT: x-ed since phantom's 191 post

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Yes and yes, for me. But the current voting situation may affect my choice more than that, and people's level of suspiciousness definitely will.

I for one don't agree with tp. The people to apply for the position of a Wizards are probably not the flying under the radar people that have been said to be good choices for the Wizards for their minions. So we're not hunting the same people. I'm not quite sure if Nerwen would apply for the high post of a Wizard, neither I suspect her, after reading through her posts. I think we'd get more out of her on the later Days that would reveal her role.

Legate probably applied, but Agan is a great choice for a Wolf. Kath most certainly applied, but I have no ideas about her at the moment. Ok, let's do something before things are completely futile!

edit: Xd with all since Dury's vote.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Volo

Legate probably applied, but Agan is a great choice for a Wolf. Kath most certainly applied, but I have no ideas about her at the moment. Ok, let's do something before things are completely futile!

Hmmm... Legate has said he's in the middle of his final exams, so I don't know if he'd be mad enough to apply to be a wizard. Of Kath I'm not sure either - I'm not sure if she's ambitious (if that's a good word here) enough to apply...


edit: xed with tp, Brin and Dury (whatever their order was)

[Lalaith]

ambitious

I think the word is hubris...

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Hmmm... Legate has said he's in the middle of his final exams, so I don't know if he'd be mad enough to apply to be a wizard. Of Kath I'm not sure either - I'm not sure if she's ambitious (if that's a good word here) enough to apply...

Well, but Kath has nothing better to do and Legate's exams just ended (Shire thread- hey, this is stupid!! So metagame as can be - and hey, I've done that too myself!)

edit: Xd since quoted post.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Hmmm... Legate has said he's in the middle of his final exams, so I don't know if he'd be mad enough to apply to be a wizard.

Still I think he's likely to be cursed by the EW.

I'd really feel like voting for him, but I wouldn't want tp or Nerwen to die.

edit: xed since Legate

[Thinlómien]

Votes this far:

I could vote
-none, it seems-

I'd rather not vote
tp- 4
Ner- 4
morm- 2
Sally- 1
Cailin- 1
Cel- 1
Legate- 1
Gwath- 1

I won't vote
Brin- 1
Izzy- 1
Roa- 1


Okay, let's waste/spread a/the vote:

++AGANZIR


edit: xed with everybody since my last post

[Diamond18]

Maybe I won't try and lynch you after all.

I will be trying harder to read/post from now on -- I forgot the game was starting until I got my Daily Digest notification of the first couple page's worth of posts. Ah well.

I think Nerwen has 4 votes now?

This 'choosing' thing is a bit silly, Lommy. Vote for who you feel is suspicious!

(Not Lommy, but responding anyway) Yeah, but this mostly gets us with a ton of people with 1 or 2 votes... and a person with 3 or 4 votes kicking the bucket. And for my part, if I would rather not see the person in the lead get lynched, it makes more sense to vote for an alternative despite having no opinion on that person, herself.

So I suppose I'll go for:

+ + Nerwen

I have yet to decide what my goal for this game is. I have no allegiance chosen for me, yet, and who knows what subsequent nights will result in. So for me the lynching today is more about who I'd rather play with in future days than who is on what side, and since I don't actually know Nerwen and do know phantom, my motivation is to save the latter. He's not a bad big bro, after all.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I just went through the voting list and I really don't feel up to voting for anyone who is on it this far. Silliness Even this Gwath, I would prefer to keep him "on ice" for now...

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Hmmm... Legate has said he's in the middle of his final exams, so I don't know if he'd be mad enough to apply to be a wizard.

Oh no, please, let's not bring such things here - it's nothing to do with the game... although I understand...

Oh, I see, besides

Originally Posted by Volo

Well, but Kath has nothing better to do and Legate's exams just ended (Shire thread- hey, this is stupid!! So metagame as can be - and hey, I've done that too myself!)

Exactly, however a bad conclusion - now see where this metagame thinking goes - my exams have not been finished yet. Not all of them. Just some. So you see. Anyway... enough of this... should vote...

EDIT: x-ed since some Volo or what I quoted

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Legate

Is it just me, or is it just a random thing (however I think McCaber could write such a short post under two minutes, no?), or is it the first real bandwaggon-jump I saw here? It will be probably too obvious, though. But, if McCaber really has not much time on his hands, why not do it... McC, have you seen phantom's post before you posted...?

I don't know. It did surprise me a bit when I refreshed the page to see, so soon after my post, a vote for Nerwen. I can't remember how much time elapsed though. There's a huge difference between 179 seconds and 61 seconds, both of which could mark the possible gap between the two posts.

[mormegil]

I just poked my head in and I haven't read anything since my vote but I looked at the vote count and I think it foolish to lynch the phantom at this stage. I say this from the vantage point of having a great deal of familiarity with him...don't let his abrasive nature make you think he is guilty.

[Diamond18]

Hey all. Sorry, I've been hanging out in Cel's candle shop, eating her candles.

And that's my half-hearted attempt at being in character.

Personally I'm going to leave most of that fun to the mod, and his narrations.

That said, I feel inclined to forgive my big brother for expressing a desire to lynch me... it's phantom, this game won't be as fun without him, so I'm disappointed to see a lynch party amassing for him.

I haven't played WW for a long time and I'm very much out of the habit, so all these posts are fairly overwhelming. I should post more tomorrow, if there is a tomorrow for me... also need to read the rules again to make sure I know what's going on.

In the meantime, since it's half hour before the deadline I'm going to muse upon who to vote for in order to spare phantom the lynch. Not gonna lie, that's my only motivation right now.

[Brinniel]

Sally: Nothing about her screams suspicious. I don't feel like she gave enough reason behind her vote, but really that's it...

Nerwen: A lot of people seem to find her suspicious. I admit I was trying to see her as a possible candidate, but I can't find a good enough reason to vote her...

Cailin:

Originally Posted by Cailin

I'm thinking about voting for THE Ka, for her carelessly copying Roa's misquote about me. Although she doesn't really make a big deal of it, which makes me wonder.

I don't like the idea she'd consider voting someone for copying a misquote. It's a big game and people are unintentionally going to make mistakes. I know I'd probably make the same mistake as Ka. I also don't really like how she so suddenly jumps on Nerwen.

Hmm...I have no idea what to think about the others. Urgh, I'm running out of time...

Anyways, I could vote for Aganzir or Cailin. But I won't go for the tp and Nerwen bandwagon.

[Cailín]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Nerwen: A lot of people seem to find her suspicious. I admit I was trying to see her as a possible candidate, but I can't find a good enough reason to vote her...

Cailin:

I don't like the idea she'd consider voting someone for copying a misquote. It's a big game and people are unintentionally going to make mistakes. I know I'd probably make the same mistake as Ka. I also don't really like how she so suddenly jumps on Nerwen.

Brinniel, you posted this yesterday, and I thought it was a bit silly at the time, but now that you're still following these thoughts in your suspicions today, I think I must object.

After hearing what THE Ka said, I find her to be sincere. It was a mistake. However, it's far from a bad idea to suspect someone for this. If an innocent person wishes to build a case against someone, they have to investigate the primary sources. If a wolf wants to do it, just to appear to be doing something, he/she can lazily copy someone else's work -- even if that work is faulty. What happened was perfectly suspicious, though I later found myself trusting Ka.

About Nerwen: what do you mean I jumped on her? That is not how our argument started at all.

Posting more in a minute...

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Legate

I feel also somewhat good about Durelin, whom I think would have been more chaotic and more evil than she looks now.

I dunno, Di...that looks like pretty good sig material, too...

So am I True Neutral, or maybe even Neutral Good?

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Cailin

About Nerwen: what do you mean I jumped on her? That is not how our argument started at all.

From this quote:

This is a very suspicious first post. Nerwen takes a long time to do nothing but criticise other people's ideas and post signs indicating potential wolvish behaviour. She's also giving wolves a nice guide on how not to act. I can't see what she hopes to achieve with this, other than to look helpful and serious in the eyes of the casual reader.

Maybe you didn't see it as jumping on her at the time, but that's how I interpreted it.

[Brinniel]

My voting candidates are same as yesterDay.

Aganzir or Cailin.

[the phantom]

The other candidates-

I have no clue about Cailin. I haven't devoted a read-through to her yet.

I've been a WW with Lal before, so I feel like maybe I can get a feel from her as the village progresses.

Brin- I've already said before that I'm pretty confident about her innocence.

[Cailín]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

From this quote:

This is a very suspicious first post. Nerwen takes a long time to do nothing but criticise other people's ideas and post signs indicating potential wolvish behaviour. She's also giving wolves a nice guide on how not to act. I can't see what she hopes to achieve with this, other than to look helpful and serious in the eyes of the casual reader.

Maybe you didn't see it as jumping on her at the time, but that's how I interpreted it.

Brinn, I barely even know how to respond to this. You're simply choosing one side of the coin. Someone else could just as well say that Nerwen jumped on me. You'd both be equally correct.

But that's not what happened. We cross-posted our suspicions of each other (Nerwen was actually first) and our argument sprang forth thence.

Can you see this? Because if you can't then your single-mindedness is quite worrying.

[Cailín]

Of those with votes, not at all sure what to make of Legate or Mac. Have followed the Aganzir Lommy thing only casually so not sure what to make of it either. The phantom I am sort of uneasy with. McCaber seems very creepy. Lalaith I am very prepared to keep alive. Brinniel I am curious about but hesitant to vote for.

Hmm. I'd rather lynch someone else. Anyone want to lynch Sally or Gwath?

[Durelin]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Dury, you look more Chaotic Neutral to me.

Another sig-worthy quote! Oh, you people flatter me!

Originally Posted by Lommy

Aaaaaaaaaarghhhhhhhhhh!

You aren't on the chopping block yet by far, Lom...

Originally Posted by Lommy

Phantom Stop Trusting My Judgement On Agan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trying to patch up wounds now that Aganzir's on the offensive, too?

I'm liking all these exclamation points!

Edit: Yes, Lommy has said that twice now.

Edit #2: Oh phantom's really being naughty now, Rikae!

[the phantom]

What if you just trusted your own judgement?

My own judgement is telling me that you are the most likely WW out of those that have votes, but that it is even more likely that there is not a single WW with a vote thus far and there is no way that I could gather enough votes to lynch one, supposing that I even knew who to go for.

[Isabellkya]

To whoever said something about it, can't be bothered to pull the quote up - not enough time. I've always been "submarine" like.. in 80% of the werewolf games I play. If I were to say my thoughts like others here. about three posts a page - I would get lynched.

Legate, I do.. when I have the time. Oh I'm around, but catching up on the reading, doesn't mean I'm able to post as often as I would like.


Time runs short.. I'm leaning towards Roa or phantom today. Since there have been agruments between the two, for both Days yet.. I don't think we can chance letting them settle it between themselves.

X'd since #483

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Lommy, lemmie get this straight - you want people to vote Agan, but you don't want to be blamed when she's found innocent, right?

You people are really driving me crazy.

Yes, I want you to vote her, but not because you trust I have some supernatural knowledge of her guilt as she happens to be a close friend of mine, but rather because you find my points against, her reasonable or have points of your own against her. If you don't, weel, then do not vote her and let her laugh her evil laugh at you behind her laptop. Then she deserves to survive, as evil as she is.


edit: xed with the last triplet