Learn Elvish? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Finwe-89 · 12-26-2004, 06:27 AM

Hey, I'm new to these forums,
I'm a big Tolkien fan ( no really

) and I'd love to learn Elvish, but where can I learn it?

Novnarwen · 12-26-2004, 12:14 PM

Welcome to the Downs Finwe-89!

Here are a few threads on the topic, (which you can find by using the search function): Learning Elvish. I suppose though, that the best source you can use for learning Elvish or familiarize yourself with the languages of Middle-earth is Ardalambion, which provides wordlists, grammar etc.

Hope you enjoy yourself here!

Finwe-89 · 12-27-2004, 03:50 PM

Tnx man

Edit:

Btw, the first site is down, and I don't really know how the other site works, more stories then learing words, can you help me out? Plz?

Novnarwen · 12-27-2004, 04:49 PM

Hm, that's odd...

Anyway, here are a few links, or threads, with the same topic on the Barrowdowns:

Learning Elvish
Elvish Languages
Another Learn Elvish.

Anyhow, all the threads are referring to Ardalambion. If you scroll down just a bit on the front page (Ardalambion), you'll see that the different languages are listed. Quenya and Sindarin are the most complete (correct me if I am wrong anyone) elven languages; there is even a Quenya Course (Just press this link, or the link on the site).

I hope that was somewhat helpful.

Boromir88 · 12-27-2004, 05:43 PM

It just depends whether you want to learn the Elvish languages Tolkien created (Quenya, Sindarin), or just some Elvish junk that someone else made up. Nov's, posted the threads down however.

I will recommend Ruth S. Noel's book The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth. It deals with all 14 languages Tolkien created.

Sapphire_Flame · 12-27-2004, 10:45 PM

Ai, suilad a mae govannen, Finwe! Anirach ista Edhellen?

Oh, and welcome to the Barrow-Downs, too.

Well, here are some very nice-and-useful sites for the beginning Elven scholar:

~Ardalambion, as has been stated above.
~The Fellowship of the Word-Smiths; a lovely site with info on Quenya, Sindarin, and the Tengwar alphabet.
~Sindarin Dictionary; if it is Sindarin you are interested in, this place has downloads of a dictionary and a search option (only 800 hits are allowed total each day, however).
~Quenya Names; just for fun, you can look up your name and find the Quenyan translation.

Also at Council of Elrond (lurvely site) there is a Sindarin course based on the text at Ardalambion; it's very useful and I recommend you check it out. Have fun!

Abedithon le,

~ Saphy ~

dancing spawn of ungoliant · 12-28-2004, 04:08 AM

I'll link here a Quenya course from Ardalambion. If you're into Quenya, the course is probably the best way to learn the language. It's long but thorough-going and additional exercises help you to understand the grammar. I've studied only the first three "lessons" of it but I can really recommend it. You might want to check the old threads as well. Good luck!

Finwe-89 · 12-28-2004, 05:24 AM

Wow tnx all! Thank you guys a lot!

Edit:

Damn it's very hard to learn Quenya, I thought it was going to get a lot easier then this! I just want to learn words so I can combine those to say lines

12-28-2004, 05:42 PM

Actually, I would not recommend that book by Ruth S. Noel. I've heard it isn't so correct in everything. Ardalambion is the best source I know of.

And personally I think Sindarin is much harder to learn than Quenya.

Finwe-89 · 12-29-2004, 06:06 AM

Haha if you say so

Nimrodel_9 · 12-29-2004, 06:03 PM

Welcome to the Downs, Finwe-89! Hope you enjoy being dead!

As the elvish languages are made up, you cannot become fluent in them.
I enjoy www.councilofelrond.com. They have phrases and such that you can memorize. Fun stuff!

http://www.councilofelrond.com/modul...wContent&cid=9

Finwe-89 · 12-30-2004, 08:40 AM

How do you know I'm dead?! How did you discover it?!

:P Btw hannad ( tnx in Elvish

) for the link!

Nimrodel_9 · 12-30-2004, 06:17 PM

I saw it under your name Finwe. We are all dead! Hahahahaha!!!

(I`ll shut up now.)

Nim

Finwe-89 · 12-31-2004, 03:56 PM

Haha ok that explains it :P

02-05-2005, 12:45 AM

i don't get it am i doing this right im new

elronds_daughter · 02-05-2005, 02:50 PM

Welcome to the 'Downs, lotrknight! As for "doing it right", to what do you refer?

On topic (or at least slightly), I like the Council of Elrond's Elvish tutorial whatcha-ma-call-it. Thing.

Very Pippinesque.

Yes yes. Blasted alter-ego.....

Thinlómien · 03-17-2005, 05:27 AM

That Council of Elrond thing was LOVELY!

And I can really recommend The Quenya Course of Ardalambion - it's great and you learn very much. It's also very easy to understand - even for me nad I'm not a native english-speaker!
btw - it's so funny how difficult it is for you english-speakers to pronounce elvish

- it's usually so easy for me as a finnish-speaker. Hail Tolkien!

Elonve · 03-21-2005, 11:28 PM

Hi i am new around these parts... well i have kinda been lurking around i have tried to learn elvish but it is a mighty hard task... it is easier when you use elvish to write English... but to learn elvish words for things (i.e trees... orange...ect) is *very* Hard!! Help!!

~Elonve the Stuck
________
Medical Cannabis

Dragon Reborn · 03-23-2005, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nimrodel_9

As the elvish languages are made up, you cannot become fluent in them. [/url]

Not entirely true. Tolkien didn't just "make it up", it was well structured just like any modern language today. The fact that Tolkien was only one man meant he couldn't make an entire dictionary of words in one lifetime. But in what elvish does exist we can still become fluent. We can probably have general convresations with it.

Btw, Ardalambion rocks! It is the best site ever for learning elvish and everything about Tolkien's languages!!

I'm going very steady, I'm only learning basic pronounciation at the moment...it's so much fun!!!

Elonve · 03-24-2005, 03:23 AM

Hehehehe i suppose so dragon reborn... you are right about two things. firstly Tolkien didn't leave a dictionary behind and secondly pronouncation is very much of fun (indeedy-doo) its easier for me though because i know a bit of french and i had to practice saying circumflexes and diresses and accents like acute and grav and in my language sounds are similar...

~Elonve a little less confuzzeled
________
****ing Mouth

03-28-2005, 10:16 PM

There is a wonderful site where I learned most of my sindarin.
Taramiluiel Home

This site features a HUGE Sindarin phrasebook, as well as MANY, MANY songs translated into Sindarin. My signature was written by her.

It's a great site, you really should try it.

Legolas in spandex · 04-07-2006, 06:23 PM

you been to the OB files? there's a "learn Elvish" link to a fancy schmancy loTR site where it teaches you some elvish.

P.S. I lurve the avatar!

stowni · 06-11-2008, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finwe-89

Hey, I'm new to these forums,
I'm a big Tolkien fan ( no really

) and I'd love to learn Elvish, but where can I learn it?

heya darlin, elvish is such a cool language, and im am incredibly new to this site.... but if you are still looking to learn... inthe novices and newcomers section.. theres aforum called learn quenya on barrow downs.... thats what im using...sounds quite good.... plus i'd suggest learning quenya before attempting sindarin just because its a more commanly used language..... hope this is some help

hannah x

12-26-2004, 06:27 AM	#1
Finwe-89 Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In Lotholorien, looking in the mirror that shows that there is still hope for life... Posts: 84	Learn Elvish? Hey, I'm new to these forums, I'm a big Tolkien fan ( no really ) and I'd love to learn Elvish, but where can I learn it? __________________ Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum- ishi krimpatul... Beware: Don't speak this loud when you're alone in the dark... Unless you really want it... But don't say I didn't warn you...

12-26-2004, 12:14 PM	#2
Novnarwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: In your mouth... Eeeew, by the way. :P Posts: 517	Welcome to the Downs Finwe-89! Here are a few threads on the topic, (which you can find by using the search function): Learning Elvish. I suppose though, that the best source you can use for learning Elvish or familiarize yourself with the languages of Middle-earth is Ardalambion, which provides wordlists, grammar etc. Hope you enjoy yourself here! __________________ Scully: Homer, we're going to ask you a few simple yes or no questions. Do you understand? Homer: Yes. (Lie dectector blows up) AUS Blog

12-27-2004, 03:50 PM	#3
Finwe-89 Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In Lotholorien, looking in the mirror that shows that there is still hope for life... Posts: 84	Tnx man Edit: Btw, the first site is down, and I don't really know how the other site works, more stories then learing words, can you help me out? Plz? Last edited by Finwe-89; 12-27-2004 at 03:55 PM.

12-27-2004, 04:49 PM	#4
Novnarwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: In your mouth... Eeeew, by the way. :P Posts: 517	Hm, that's odd... Anyway, here are a few links, or threads, with the same topic on the Barrowdowns: Learning Elvish Elvish Languages Another Learn Elvish. Anyhow, all the threads are referring to Ardalambion. If you scroll down just a bit on the front page (Ardalambion), you'll see that the different languages are listed. Quenya and Sindarin are the most complete (correct me if I am wrong anyone) elven languages; there is even a Quenya Course (Just press this link, or the link on the site). I hope that was somewhat helpful. __________________ Scully: Homer, we're going to ask you a few simple yes or no questions. Do you understand? Homer: Yes. (Lie dectector blows up) AUS Blog

12-27-2004, 10:45 PM	#6
Sapphire_Flame Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The World That Never Was Posts: 1,232	Ai, suilad a mae govannen, Finwe! Anirach ista Edhellen? Oh, and welcome to the Barrow-Downs, too. Well, here are some very nice-and-useful sites for the beginning Elven scholar: ~Ardalambion, as has been stated above. ~The Fellowship of the Word-Smiths; a lovely site with info on Quenya, Sindarin, and the Tengwar alphabet. ~Sindarin Dictionary; if it is Sindarin you are interested in, this place has downloads of a dictionary and a search option (only 800 hits are allowed total each day, however). ~Quenya Names; just for fun, you can look up your name and find the Quenyan translation. Also at Council of Elrond (lurvely site) there is a Sindarin course based on the text at Ardalambion; it's very useful and I recommend you check it out. Have fun! Abedithon le, ~ Saphy ~ __________________ The Hitchhiking Ghost

12-27-2004, 05:43 PM	#5
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	It just depends whether you want to learn the Elvish languages Tolkien created (Quenya, Sindarin), or just some Elvish junk that someone else made up. Nov's, posted the threads down however. I will recommend Ruth S. Noel's book The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth. It deals with all 14 languages Tolkien created.

12-28-2004, 04:08 AM	#7
dancing spawn of ungoliant Mischievous Candle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: So near to Russia, so far from Japan, quite a long way from Cairo, lots of miles from Vietnam. Posts: 1,234	I'll link here a Quenya course from Ardalambion. If you're into Quenya, the course is probably the best way to learn the language. It's long but thorough-going and additional exercises help you to understand the grammar. I've studied only the first three "lessons" of it but I can really recommend it. You might want to check the old threads as well. Good luck! __________________ Fenris Wolf

12-28-2004, 05:24 AM	#8
Finwe-89 Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In Lotholorien, looking in the mirror that shows that there is still hope for life... Posts: 84	Wow tnx all! Thank you guys a lot! Edit: Damn it's very hard to learn Quenya, I thought it was going to get a lot easier then this! I just want to learn words so I can combine those to say lines Last edited by Finwe-89; 12-28-2004 at 05:57 AM.

12-28-2004, 05:42 PM	#9
Lothíriel Guest Posts: n/a	Actually, I would not recommend that book by Ruth S. Noel. I've heard it isn't so correct in everything. Ardalambion is the best source I know of. And personally I think Sindarin is much harder to learn than Quenya.

12-29-2004, 06:06 AM	#10
Finwe-89 Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In Lotholorien, looking in the mirror that shows that there is still hope for life... Posts: 84	Haha if you say so __________________ Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum- ishi krimpatul... Beware: Don't speak this loud when you're alone in the dark... Unless you really want it... But don't say I didn't warn you...

12-29-2004, 06:03 PM	#11
Nimrodel_9 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 734	Welcome to the Downs, Finwe-89! Hope you enjoy being dead! As the elvish languages are made up, you cannot become fluent in them. I enjoy www.councilofelrond.com. They have phrases and such that you can memorize. Fun stuff! http://www.councilofelrond.com/modul...wContent&cid=9 __________________ .:A friend is someone who reaches for your hand and touches your heart:.

12-30-2004, 08:40 AM	#12
Finwe-89 Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In Lotholorien, looking in the mirror that shows that there is still hope for life... Posts: 84	How do you know I'm dead?! How did you discover it?! :P Btw hannad ( tnx in Elvish ) for the link! __________________ Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum- ishi krimpatul... Beware: Don't speak this loud when you're alone in the dark... Unless you really want it... But don't say I didn't warn you...

12-30-2004, 06:17 PM	#13
Nimrodel_9 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Utah Posts: 734	You are welcome! I saw it under your name Finwe. We are all dead! Hahahahaha!!! (I`ll shut up now.) Nim __________________ .:A friend is someone who reaches for your hand and touches your heart:.

12-31-2004, 03:56 PM	#14
Finwe-89 Wight Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In Lotholorien, looking in the mirror that shows that there is still hope for life... Posts: 84	Haha ok that explains it :P __________________ Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum- ishi krimpatul... Beware: Don't speak this loud when you're alone in the dark... Unless you really want it... But don't say I didn't warn you...

02-05-2005, 12:45 AM	#15
lotrknight Guest Posts: n/a	i don't get it i don't get it am i doing this right im new

02-05-2005, 02:50 PM	#16
elronds_daughter Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Location: Between the fortune cookie and the post-its. Posts: 644	Welcome to the 'Downs, lotrknight! As for "doing it right", to what do you refer? On topic (or at least slightly), I like the Council of Elrond's Elvish tutorial whatcha-ma-call-it. Thing. Very Pippinesque. Yes yes. Blasted alter-ego..... __________________ I'd like to be the king of all Londinium and wear a shiny hat.

03-17-2005, 05:27 AM	#17
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	That Council of Elrond thing was LOVELY! And I can really recommend The Quenya Course of Ardalambion - it's great and you learn very much. It's also very easy to understand - even for me nad I'm not a native english-speaker! btw - it's so funny how difficult it is for you english-speakers to pronounce elvish - it's usually so easy for me as a finnish-speaker. Hail Tolkien! __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris

03-21-2005, 11:28 PM	#18
Elonve Wight Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the stars go blue. Posts: 153	bloop! Hi i am new around these parts... well i have kinda been lurking around i have tried to learn elvish but it is a mighty hard task... it is easier when you use elvish to write English... but to learn elvish words for things (i.e trees... orange...ect) is *very* Hard!! Help!! ~Elonve the Stuck ________ Medical Cannabis Last edited by Elonve; 04-09-2011 at 05:51 PM.

03-24-2005, 03:23 AM	#20
Elonve Wight Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Where the stars go blue. Posts: 153	Hehehehe i suppose so dragon reborn... you are right about two things. firstly Tolkien didn't leave a dictionary behind and secondly pronouncation is very much of fun (indeedy-doo) its easier for me though because i know a bit of french and i had to practice saying circumflexes and diresses and accents like acute and grav and in my language sounds are similar... ~Elonve a little less confuzzeled ________ ***ing Mouth Last edited by Elonve; 04-09-2011 at 05:52 PM.*

03-28-2005, 10:16 PM	#21
~Lady Of The Wood~ Guest Posts: n/a	Here is a lovely site... There is a wonderful site where I learned most of my sindarin. Taramiluiel Home This site features a HUGE Sindarin phrasebook, as well as MANY, MANY songs translated into Sindarin. My signature was written by her. It's a great site, you really should try it.

04-07-2006, 06:23 PM	#22
Legolas in spandex Wight Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 102	you been to the OB files? there's a "learn Elvish" link to a fancy schmancy loTR site where it teaches you some elvish. P.S. I lurve the avatar! __________________ "I want to die in my sleep, like my grandfather... not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car."

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