Arda Cup Soccer 2008- Phantasy- er, I Mean Fantasy Thread

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So, what will happen if the scores are even after 90 min in the knock-out stages?

The standard 2*15 min extra time and a penalty shootout if nessesary?

And how will goals in extra time be delt with? I believe the "silver goal"-rule (I think that's what they call it: what a drab name huh) is normally used nowadays; that is, after a goal in extra time the ref will end the match when the 15 minute period they are playing in at this time concludes, unless the score is once again tied, in which event the match would be allowed to continue.

Hm. Later today I have to give some thought to my transfers as I believe quite a few of my players have been eliminated, and some others stand to be eliminated in the last 16. How the mighty have fallen!

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ALQUALONDE
G- Olwe 1
DF- Earwen
DF- Cirdan
DF- Frodo
DF- Elwing
MF- Eriol -1
MF- Lindo
MF- Bilbo 3
MF- Uinen 3
FW- Osse 3
FW- Gil-Galad 4

AMON RHUD
G- Ebor 3
DF- Sagroth 2
DF- Forweg 2
DF- Forhend 1
MF- Avranc
MF- Ragnir
MF- Asgon
MF- Gethron -1
MF- Grithnir
MF- Algund 3
FW- Androg 4

ANGBAND
G- Carcharoth 1
DF- Balrog #2 -1
DF- Uldor
DF- Balrog #3 -1
DF- Balrog #4
MF- Balrog #5
MF- Balrog #6
MF- Ulfast -1
MF- Melkor 8
FW- Gothmog 3
FW- Ancalagon 4

ANNUMINAS
G- Arvedui -3
DF- Tarcil 2
DF- Elendur 1
DF- Earendur 2
DF- Tarandor 2
MF- Arveleg -1
MF- Argeleb
MF- Eldacar
MF- Arantar 4
MF- Valandur 3
FW- Araphor 7

ARMENELOS
G- Elros 5
DF- Tar Atanamir 3
DF- Tar Ciryatan 4
DF- Tar-Telperien 3
MF- Ar Zimrathan 1
MF- Tar Calmacil 1
MF- Ar Adunakhor 1
MF- Ar Gimilzor 1
FW- Tar Ancalimon 3
FW- Tar Minastir 8
FW- Ar Pharazon 7

BREELAND
G- Old Man Willow 1
DF- Bob
DF- Goldberry -1
DF- Nob
MF- Odo Proudfoot
MF- Sardoc Brandybuck
MF- Harry -1
MF- Butterbur
MF- The Barrow-Wight
FW- Bill Ferny -1
FW- Tom Bombadil

BRETHIL
G- Hardang 1
DF- Hundad
DF- Nienor
DF- Handir -1
MF- Brandir
MF- Manthor -1
MF- Dorlas -1
MF- Halmir
MF- Hunthor 2
MF- Haleth 5
FW- Haldir

DORIATH
G- Melian 1
DF- Elured
DF- Luthien
DF- Elurin -1
DF- Saeros -1
MF- Nellas 3
MF- Daeron
MF- Dior 5
MF- Elwe 3
FW- Mablung 4
FW- Beleg 4

EDORAS
G- Theoden 2
DF- Aldor
DF- Folcwine -1
DF- Frealaf
MF- Thengel -1
MF- Folca -1
MF- Theodred
MF- Brytta -1
MF- Eowyn 8
FW- Eomer
FW- Eorl 4

EREBOR
G- Bain 1
DF- Nain
DF- Thorin
DF- Thror -1
DF- Brand
MF- Dain
MF- Thrain -1
MF- Girion 8
MF- Beorn
MF- Bard 2
FW- Smaug 4

FORMENOS
G- Huan 4
DF- Celegorm 4
DF- Caranthir 3
DF- Curufin 4
DF- Celebrimbor 7
MF- Amrod 1
MF- Amras 1
MF- Maglor 1
MF- Aredhel 9
FW- Maedhros 4
FW- Feanor 7

FORNOST
G- Aragost 2
DF- Aravir 2
DF- Argonui 2
DF- Arador 2
DF- Amlaith 1
MF- Aranuir
MF- Arahad -1
MF- Aranarth 5
MF- Arassuil
FW- Arahael 7
FW- Arathorn 3

GONDOLIN
G- Tuor 3
DF- Salgant 1
DF- Galdor 2
DF- Meleth 2
DF- Turgon 2
MF- Rog
MF- Idril
MF- Penlod 2
MF- Eol 11
FW- Ecthelion 4
FW- Maeglin 4

GONDOR
G- Beregond 1
DF- Anardil
DF- Atanatar I
DF- Minalcar -1
DF- Dervorin
MF- Golasgil
MF- Hirluin
MF- Valacar
MF- Calmacil -1
FW- Faramir 3
FW- Imrahil 4

HELM’S DEEP
G- Erkenbrand 1
DF- Gram
DF- Walda
DF- Goldwine -1
MF- Brego
MF- Hama
MF- Fengel -1
MF- Frea
MF- Elfwine
MF- Eomund
FW- Helm -1

HITHLUM
G- Huor 3
DF- Galdor 2
DF- Marach 1
DF- Gundor 2
DF- Hador 2
MF- Angrod -1
MF- Aegnor -1
MF- Fingon 3
MF- Hurin 8
FW- Fingolfin
FW- Turin 4

ISENGARD
G- Beechbone
DF- Snaga
DF- Deor
DF- Skinbark -1
MF- Mauhur
MF- Treebeard
MF- Lugdush
MF- Freawine
MF- Quickbeam -1
FW- Ugluk
FW- Saruman

LOTHLORIEN
G- Galadriel 1
DF- Gollum -1
DF- Arwen
DF- Gimli
DF- Celebrian
MF- Nimrodel -1
MF- Rumil
MF- Orophin
MF- Amroth -1
MF- Haldir
FW- Eldarion

MICHEL DELVING
G- Sam
DF- Bungo
DF- Drogo
DF- Gerontius
DF- Lotho -1
MF- Ted Sandyman
MF- Fatty
MF- Gaffer -1
FW- Merry
FW- Pippin
FW- Bullroarer

MINAS TIRITH
G- Ecthelion II 2
DF- Calimehtar
DF- Ondoher
DF- Earnil II
DF- Beregond -1
MF- Turin II
MF- Denethor II
MF- Telumehtar -1
MF- Boromir I 3
MF- Mardil
FW- Earnur 4

MIRKWOOD
G- Oropher 2
DF- Lagduf
DF- Galion
DF- Muzgash -1
DF- Gorbag
MF- Nazgul #8 2
MF- Grishnakh -1
MF- Grimbeorn
FW- Thranduil 8
FW- Legolas 4
FW- Scatha 4

MORDOR
G- Shelob 1
DF- Nazgul #7
DF- Shagrat -1
DF- Gothmog II
DF- Nazgul #6
MF- Nazgul #5 -1
MF- Nazgul #4 -1
MF- Nazgul #3 5
MF- The Mouth 8
FW- Khamul 3
FW- The Witch King 7

MORIA
G- Watcher 1
DF- Kili
DF- Ohtar -1
DF- Oin
DF- Great Goblin -1
MF- Narvi -1
MF- Balin
MF- Bolg 8
MF- Durin -1
MF- Durin’s Bane
FW- Azog 7

NARGOTHROND
G- Beor 5
DF- Bregolas 4
DF- Bregor 4
DF- Belegund 4
DF- Gelmir 4
MF- Baragund 4
MF- Barahir 0
MF- Glaurung 1
MF- Finrod 9
MF- Beren 1
FW-Gwindor 4

OSGILIATH
G- Romendacil 1
DF- Meneldil
DF- Siriondil
DF- Cemendur -1
MF- Telemnar
MF- Narmacil
MF- Earnil 5
MF- Ostoher -1
MF- Falastur 3
MF- Eldacar 8
FW- Hyarmendacil

RIVENDELL
G- Elrond 4
DF- Gildor 4
DF- Celeborn 4
DF- Erestor 4
DF- Gandalf 4
MF- Valandil 1
MF- Elladan 0
MF- Elrohir 1
MF- Aragorn 6
MF- Boromir II 9
FW- Glorfindel

ROMENA
G- Amandil
DF- Tar Meneldur
DF- Tar Elendil
DF- Vardamir -1
DF- Tar Aldarion
MF- Anarion -1
MF- Tar Miriel
MF- Tar Surion
MF- Tar Palantir 3
MF- Elendil
FW- Isildur 4

TANIQUETIL
G- Mandos 2
DF- Este 1
DF- Vana 2
DF- Nessa 2
DF- Aule 2
DF- Yavanna 2
MF- Nienna
MF- Thorondor 4
MF- Varda
MF- Manwe
FW- Lorien 3

TUNA
G- Orodreth 1
DF- Elenwe
DF- Guilen
DF- Ingwe -1
DF- Duilin
MF- Egalmoth
MF- Finarfin
MF- Nerdanel 11
FW- Mahal
FW- Finwe
FW- Miriel 11

UMBAR
G- Pelendur 2
DF- Calimehtar -1
DF- Ulrad
DF- Brodda -1
DF- Folcred
MF- Angamaite 5
MF- Sangahyando
MF- Fastred 3
FW- Beruthiel 8
FW- Nazgul #9 3
FW- Castamir 4

VALIMAR
G- Ungolient 1
DF- Ulmo
DF- Alatar
DF- Pallando -1
DF- Radagast
MF- Arien
MF- Orome -1
MF- Tilion 3
MF- Earendil 8
FW- Tulkas -1
FW- Eonwe 4

TOL-IN-GAURHOTH
G- Drauglin 5
DF- Hookbill 4
DF- Gwathagor 4
DF- Cailin 4
MF- Lhuna 0
MF- Thuringwethil 1
MF- Eomer 0
MF- the phantom 4
FW- Formendacil 3
FW- Nogrod 3
FW- Sauron 4

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1. Gwathagor- 80 + 47 = 127
2. McCaber- 63 +43 = 106
3. Skip- 63 + 35 = 98
4. Eomer- 60 +36 = 96
5. Lhuna- 64 + 30 = 94
6. Cailín- 53 +39 = 92
7. Anguirel- 65 + 26 = 91
8. Nogrod- 49 + 37 = 86
9. Elmo- 52 + 25 = 77
Formendacil- 51 +26 = 77
Nilp- 44 + 33 = 77

I hope you tp check these but I think they ought to be about right.
(the latter number is the points gotten on the third round)


Quite a nice lead Gwath! But pay heed also how even it is after Gwath! And the three last players are at exactly the same points!

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If I may come with a suggestion ahead of the knockout stages, I'd like to propose the added feature of choosing a captain for our team ahead of each round of play. The captain of each team will then have his score multiplyed by two, which will be added to the team's total (fex. the cap. scores a goal and an assist, gets 8 points *2=16; or he gets himself sent off and acores -3*2=-6)

This feature is present in fex. the official EPL fantasy league, and could IMO spice things up a little and perhaps give us a chance to catch Gwarth (or lose even more ground).

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Not a bad idea as such Skip.

But we might also try to look out for the unexpectable!

I mean if everyone just tries to find the point-leaders the game is a bit stupid as anyone can spot those ones. So home yourself a daring tactics and see whether it pays off or not... Catching Gwath means that you must choose differently and gamble and win...

I'm going to go the risky way anyway (well, there's not too many beauties or beasts left to choose in teams that will probably advance to the later stages... ).

But I'm slightly for the ruling about the captain - even if I'm afraid many people will choose the same ones which just keeps the situation as it is and makes the people go for the same foreseen names in the drafts - and those not actively updating their teams will be on shorthand on this as they have will not make the choice (which in the end is their own problem to be sure).

Daring! That's what we need to get Gwath, I say!

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Okay. Sorry about the double-post in this occasion...

The problem with the captains is that their value becomes too important. So everyone tries to find the point-leader captain and then all of this narrows down to which individual captain one has chosen. Under that pressure people tend to make similar choices (the point leaders) and all this we have been doing for a couple of weeks degrades to the quesswork of whether Ar Pharazon, Hurin or The Witch King will outscore one another...

That's the problem there. There are good things in it as well - like giving us others a chance to reach Gwath...

But somehow I still think we others trailing him should rather go for the unexpectable and try to beat him with that.

Well, it's up to the phantom to decide.

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What is clear with this feature is that it's easier to gain or lose points quickly.

But what you are saying holds a lot of merit too. Having played fantasy football at premierleague.com several years now I know from experience that if one player starts to dominate the scoring it may come to a point that you just can't afford to take any chances with the selection, leaving everyone with the same captain which is kind of boring. It was like that with Cristiano Ronaldo this past season and it was like that with Thierry Henry too a few years back.

That said, I still favour the idea, as I don't believe there is one obvious star who constantly performs better than everyone else and is expected to continue doing som as was the case with Henry and Ronaldo irl. I haven't added up any total points leaders (why we should!) but I've got the impression there are many players who've racked up good scores so far, making it a challenging task picking the right captain.

But it is indeed The Phantom's decision.