Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLIX - At the Source of Darkness

[Nerwen]

Alas, O factotum, I do not understand this arcane language. At least, not that part of it.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Tp's way of advicing all sorts of gifted looks rather weird to me. Not that it's uncharacteristic of him, but it irritates me a little... he's obviously trying to gain some control over the village, once again.

So it would seem:

Originally Posted by the phantom

I am trying to set up the way this village should be played, and then hope that I am able to play it better.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Noooo, don't say it! I wonder if it's actually possible to go a single WW game without that debate arising

No, it isn't. So let's get it over with.

Lynch the quiet ones!

No, lynch the loud ones!

The quiet ones!!

The loud ones!!

The quiet ones!!!

The loud ones!!!

The loud ones!!!!

The quiet ones!!!!!

(Continue until somebody is lynched.)


There.

As for the benefits of trying to lynch cobblers vs trying not to lynch them... I don't see how that helps at this stage of the game. We are trying to lynch wolves... so in the end we just have to go for someone who looks suspicious.

EDIT: X'd with Nilp (twice).

[Thinlómien]

Feanor of the Peredhil - hasn't posted anything yet
Shastanis Althreduin - hasn't really said much, hasn't given any impression
Formendacil - nothing alarming nor reassuring this far
Kitanna - hasn't posted yet
Eönwë - the only thing that occurs to me about him is that he doesn't look like a cobbler...
Nerwen - looks like normal Nerwen ergo I don't know
Kath - hasn't said anything yet
Nilpaurion Felagund - kind of makes sense, but doesn't really say much... purely based on gut-feeling is slightly wolvish but really, he could be anything
Durelin - no idea
Brinniel - has an innocentish manner for now
Gwathagor - has an innocentish manner, but I wouldn't be too sure
Nogrod - smells of cobbler
Lalaith - looks like normal Lalaith ergo could be anything
A Little Green - hasn't said anything yet - but will say something as soon as I've finished this post
the phantom - is advicing others, arguing and taking the lead... in a way that's fishy but he's always like that...
Groin Redbeard - not enough data
Mithalwen - no idea, except that seems rather vengeful...

[Thinlómien]

And I didn't mention this in my last post although I was supposed to... I'm now going, but I will be back before the deadline. (I will miss the last hour of toDay though as they've finally decided to show the second season of Rome on Finnish TV and I don't want to miss it...)

[A Little Green]

Hullo, my dear friends - I see there are many of us gathered in this dark and unholy place, far from Varda's stars (Buy a pocket-size Menelvagor, tax-free, and a teddy bear for the seventeen first purchasers! *wink wink*).

Originally Posted by the phantom

I am trying to set up the way this village should be played, and then hope that I am able to play it better.

I don't think it's any big news that I'm annoyed by the phantom's open aim to manipulate the village. Even if he was right and his way of playing this village was profitable, I'd still prefer it so that every player plays in the way s/he sees fit. I don't think it's anyone's duty or right or even possibility to choose how the village is to be played.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Two wolves are easy to find

I disagree - I think two wolves are as hard to find as five. Though we have less wolves to catch, we also have a bigger chance of lynching a non-wolf. A very cunning wolf can fool us just as neatly with one or four packmates.

Then there is still this proverb -

Originally Posted by Ëonwë

Aim for a wolf and if you miss, you'll probably hit a cobbler.

I disagree again. A wolf and a cobbler, though they work for the same goal, have entirely different methods of working because they have very different tools with which they can work. It doesn't go in the way that if a person who looks suspicious isn't a wolf, s/he is then most likely a cobbler. A cobbler doesn't necessarily look suspicious in the same way as a wolf does, because cobblers have less to hide.

I see I just come, disagree, and go. Menelvagors, anyone?

[A Little Green]

Wait - where exactly is everyone?

And one more note: I don't think the post count reveals much or indeed anything. One can post two posts per day and be much more substantial than someone who posts a horde of one-liners.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

And one more note: I don't think the post count reveals much or indeed anything. One can post two posts per day and be much more substantial than someone who posts a horde of one-liners.

I was just pointing out that the phantom (almost wrote the pantom there) had, at that point,, 10 more posts than the second higher poster, and that he in fact produced over a third of all posts (discounting mods) onn this thread. His voice is (or at least was then) larger than anyone else's. Statistically, every 3 posts, you would get one of his, so he can definately affect us. That was my point.

And, not to be rude, but this isn't the stock excchange, by the way. People here would like actual valuable things such as Sam's belt buckle which was stolen by wights.

And where are you people anyway?

[A Little Green]

Really, this is a bit too quiet.

Originally Posted by Nilp

Oh, and I just thought of this: Gifteds, if anyone comes out and says he/she/it is so-and-so, but you know they're not, because you are, don't counter-declare. He/she/it may help lynch an innocent for one DAY, but at least we get the satisfaction of him/her/it being chewed the following NIGHT.

Of course, the impostor could very well be a wolf, and not a mere cobbler, which means a counter-declaration the following DAY could be a mess. So I guess it'd help if the cobbler assassin targets our impostor, too, that NIGHT.

I fear I don't follow the logic. Could you clarify?

I had some point I would have liked to bring up but unfortunately forgot what it was.


EDIT: x-ed with Ëonwë - Hooray! Someone is here! Hello!! (Oh crap, my triple post ceased to be a triple post...)

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Ëonwë

And, not to be rude, but this isn't the stock excchange, by the way. People here would like actual valuable things such as Sam's belt buckle which was stolen by wights.

Honestly, man, belt buckles are so last se... umm... age. (Try our newest pocket-size supernova! *salesperson smile*)

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

I fear I don't follow the logic. Could you clarify? (Green)

Situation: Someone claims to be gifted.

Possibilities:

1. He/she/it is telling the truth.
2. He/she/it is lying, and is a cobbler.
3. He/she/it is lying, and is a wolf. (Less possible than Possibility B, due to scarcity of wolves.)

Best Response of Gifted:

1. Nothing.
2. Do not counterclaim, hope that wolves believe the 'gifted' and he/she/it is consumed that NIGHT.
3. Counterclaim immediately, and get a wolf's head.

*But how to differentiate between Possibility B and C? Nearly impossible, so play the numbers game (2:1 cobbler:wolf ratio + value of wolvish numbers to Evil Side) and do Response B.

A somewhat random plan of response, and there are many holes to be plugged, but I do hope it achieves its purpose.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I don't think it's any big news that I'm annoyed by the phantom's open aim to manipulate the village.

Speaking for myself, I love being manipulated by the Phantom ... nobody does it better... makes me feel sad for the rest....