Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLIX - At the Source of Darkness

[A Little Green]

So, we have a bit less than one and a half hours to go, and I am very lost. I felt much more on trace yesterDay. There are of course plenty of things I should look at if I had the energy.

I think this debate between Shasta and phantom is really quite silly - Shasta throws weird points against tp who retaliates by stating that Shasta is not reasoning well and is therefore a cobbler.

Originally Posted by phantom

Well, duh, because we knew precisely who the Seer was and he had left clues behind as to who he had chosen for his dreams.

My "assumption" was more or less statement of revealed fact.

Oh but this reasoning is quite weird as well - I don't think we can take for certain that Mith and Groin were the ones Gwath dreamt of. I understand that this issue is already debated but I felt the need to point out that only because the majority thought it to be so it doesn't mean that it actually was that way.
I can understand Shasta's annoyance with phantom's manner but I think he (Shasta) is taking it a bit too far.. And phantom isn't making it any better with that "those who disagree with me do so because they are stupid" -attitude.


EDIT: x-ed with Eönwë

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

You know, when I first read that, I read "Just a reindeer". Must be all this subsitution of "radar" for the above mentioned creature of the North.

Haha

I'll have to think for a while now of who to vote. No analysis from me toDay after all - too tired and too lazy. Back with a vote and (hopefully) some clearer thoughts. I'll really really try to find more time and energy for werewolf toMorrow if I'm still alive.

[Eönwë]

Greenie has got a point. The phantom/Shasta is quite odd. Both based on assumptions which the other plainly disagrees with and argues back with even more assumptions. Wel, obviously some of each person's points made sense and were backed up, but some were just things to throw at the other.

Now, I'm not saying that one of them is a wolf, but there is a chance that one may be a cobbler (But you never know with tp). Anyway, of the two, phantom does raise better points, but still, he is assuming too much.

edit: x-ed with Kath

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Green

Shasta throws weird points against tp who retaliates by stating that Shasta is not reasoning well and is therefore a cobbler.

So you admit that his points are weird.

Thank you. That is exactly the point of my retaliations- making it clear to everyone how fishy Shasta is being. I'm glad that we agree on that.

Originally Posted by Green

I don't think we can take for certain that Mith and Groin were the ones Gwath dreamt of.

If by "for certain" you mean bet our lives on it, then no, of course not. But I'd wager a nice sum of money on it. It is a fact that Gwath knew he was the Seer and knew his words would be looked at for clues should he die. As I've said before villages might as well not even have Seers if people aren't going to try and trust their words.

Originally Posted by Green

And phantom isn't making it any better with that "those who disagree with me do so because they are stupid" -attitude.

See, now you're putting words into my mouth.

And you're disagreeing with me, stupid!

[Kath]

Alright, I need to vote now.

++NOGROD

I was determined that it was to be phantom but he just has to go and make a reasonable point. I'm going to look at that Mith thing very, very carefully.

[Nogrod]

I've re-read everything but toDay looking at the few people I have had very little to say this far (+ re-reading Dury once again).

From that I learned that Nerwen and Shasta look pretty good. But a few reservations should be made.

Like someone already said, Nerwen isn't too open with her suspicions and her votes may be little "out of the sun" with little or no backing. It could be a good wolf-policy to look like "lady-reason" in what comes to general matters or pointing problems in other's arguments but being careful not to reveal one's own intentions.

Shasta has been very good and innocent looking & feeling up to toDay. ToDay I find his reasoning and the fervour with which he tries to engage with tp quite odd. Even if I have to say tp hasn't been too good either with his kind of over-reacting and some minor flips he has made (like the one concerning Mith who "helped" him as a reason not to kill her were he a wolf etc...).

Greenie looks possibly the most innocent of those I read again. Although her strict sticking to voting Gwath in Days 1 and 2 could be a methodical wolf-cover and voting Form yesterDay was an easy vote as well. Perfect wolf-covers then. But I wouldn't vote her, at least now, because otherwise she looks sharp and innocentish.

The rest in a few minutes (need to think about them a little before saying anything).

[Nogrod]

Ahh, Kath. So now everything is in the normal order...

[Thinlómien]

I'm back here... and for a change, I'm not too sure who to vote.

I could vote Nog or Durelin. (Although I'm not too happy with the Nog-wagon as it stands. It looks too much like a bandwagon.) I could vote Kath too. I'm pretty confident at least one of them is evil in at least some way. Nogrod feels most wolvish and most innocent. Kath and Durelin feel pretty cobbleirsh, Durelin more so of the two. But it's difficult... aaargh.

edit: xed with Brinny

[A Little Green]

Argh, I really think we shouldn't concentrate on Dury and Nog too much... Oh I realised I must vote soon and still have no idea. Somehow Brinn's latest seems a bit wolvish to me. Can't say why...

I'll vote soon. Really.


EDIT: x-ed with no one? Honestly, where is everyone?

[Nogrod]

The "Nog bandwagon" consists of votes of one cobbler and one wolf - or then two cobblers. I'm getting a bad feeling about that being the case.

Well, the good news is that idf I'm right and the four manage to get me lynched (with possible help of some innocents) you know then what to do toMorrow / the c-a the next Night.

But really, Kath posts first like tp is her main suspect but she then votes for me. Secondly her playing style would fit a cobbler-role more than nicely. Let's keep others guessing until they have to "waste" a lynch on her when critical moments come. Well played - and that's what I expect from Kath anyhow.

Dury I'm more and more uneasy with.

[the phantom]

As far as voting, I'm feeling a bit better about Kath today, so I'm not as anxious to lynch her.

Shasta would probably be my first preference. I do worry that some of it is personal, but the fact remains that his comments have been rather baffling, which makes me think of a Cobbler.

As far as the Nog versus Durelin battle that has been brewing, I really don't know what to do.

Nog I feel is the most likely to be innocent. If guilty I'd say he's a WW rather than a Cobbler.

I'm slightly more suspicious of Durelin than I am of Nog, but if she's not evil I feel her as being the more likely of the two to be gifted.

Remember when I said this yesterday-

The person who I feel the most strongly is something other than a Cobbler might well be the Assassin, so I don't want to make a WW case against them naturally.

That was Dur that I was speaking of. But at this point I think it's safe to say it. First, because she looks like she might be a candidate so if I don't say it now it's never. Second, because I've actually moved her out of my top spot on the likely Assassin list. After today I'm leaning towards thinking someone different is the Assassin. Not saying who, naturally.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

As far as the Nog versus Durelin battle that has been brewing, I really don't know what to do.

A "battle"?

I think our cobblers (and/or wolves) are doing a nice work here. Suddenly everyone seems to think there is a Battle... and if Dury happens to be innocent - which I'm not easily believing - the better performance from the baddies.

But yes, at this moment I'm both ready and willing to check out Dury or to rid us from the cobbler-Kath.

And btw. tp funny you should feel better about Kath the instant she lifts you off the hook...

I mean if Dury is not a wolf (or a cobbler) I'd really suggest we (you) go on checking Mr. phantom for good.

And even if I kind of tend to trust Brinn her posts #192 and #193 are quite interesting - not forgetting that she had started already on Day1 underlining that tp is no wolf but could be a cobbler to be sure.


Ahh, you see, fear of death makes your tongue sing...

Originally Posted by Greenie

Oh yes, I know I'm grasping at straws now.

Exactly that. And that doesn't exactly make you look more innocent indeed even if I'm not too assured about your bad intentions either.